From George9237897@cs.com Thu Nov 1 02:08:52 2001 From: George9237897@cs.com (George9237897@cs.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:08:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111010208.fA128qY07329@Ag.arizona.edu> I have a back yard, and when i dig for a about a foot, i find a hard layer of dirt with lots of rocks, my question is would trees be able to grow in this kind of backyard and is there any i can do to soften the dirt??? From NaturConc@aol.com Thu Nov 1 17:48:59 2001 From: NaturConc@aol.com (by way of Lucy Bradley ) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:48:59 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Water harvesting workshop, 11/3/01 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011101104836.01ee46c0@ag.arizona.edu> SONORAN PERMACULTURE TEACHER'S GUILD (A Non- Profit Project of NEST, Inc.) Co-sponsored by DAWN/Out On Bale By Mail & Permaculture Drylands Institute HANDS-ON RAINWATER HARVESTING, Saturday, November 3, 2001, Tucson, AZ* (SPACES LIMITED!) Learning how to use rainfall and stormwater runoff helps you save groundwater, reduce your overall water needs, reduce erosion, and make your plants happy, all at the same time. This hands-on workshop will show you how to lay out and build microbasins, swales, French drains and small gabions. Principles of reading and assessing a landscape's water flow, basic water harvesting strategies, working with gravity and land contours, mulching, and plant selection will be covered. A steel culvert cistern will be constructed to capture rooftop runoff. You will help lay out the plumbing, create the base of the tank, place a steel culvert cistern into place, and hook up the cistern to the roof downspout. We will cover runoff calculations, tank size, optimum tank placement, water quality, safety issues, other types of tank systems, and mosquito prevention. A resource handout will be provided. Be ready for the rainy season! This is a hands-on workshop so come prepared to get dirty, and bring gloves, hat, water bottle, and sack lunch. Cost: $125. To register, contact DAWN/Out On Bale By Mail, 6570 W. Illinois St., Tucson, AZ 85735, Tel: 520- 624 1673 or email: dawnaz@earthlink.net HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO LEARN from members of the Sonoran Permaculture Guild. Members of this core group have studied, practiced, and taught in the Tucson area since the early 1990s. They have prepared designs for schools, housing communities, private residences, parks, and community gardens, and have prepared a Rainwater Harvesting Guide for the City of Tucson. They also serve on the Sonoran Desert Protection Plan Committee, the Green Building Alliance Steering Committee, and several neighborhood associations. -------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Registration Form: (print and mail or email to address above) Name(s)______________________________________________No. in party________ Address__________________________________________________________________ City, State, Zip____________________________________________________________ Payment by Credit Card or check/money order_____________________________ OR by Credit Card: VISA_______Mastercard________Amer. Express_____________ Card #___________________________________________Exp. Date________________ Signature required on printed copy Telephone_____________________________Email______________________________ (required for credit card payment) Directions and more information will be returned upon receipt of fee. *This course will also be offered on Mar 2, 2002 -- Joelee Joyce DAWN / Out On Bale By Mail 6570 W. Illinois St. Tucson, AZ 85735 Tel: 520 624 1673 Email: dawnaz@earthlink.net Web site: http://www.greenbuilder.com/dawn _______________________________________________ Maricopa-mg mailing list Maricopa-mg@Ag.Arizona.Edu http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/maricopa-mg From fsandez@netvalue.net Thu Nov 1 19:06:15 2001 From: fsandez@netvalue.net (fsandez@netvalue.net) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:06:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111011906.fA1J6EY07706@Ag.arizona.edu> A the leaves on an 8 month Texas Ebony very suddenly turned yellow and brittle. There were also green leaves that dried and became brittle. There is also a split in the middle of the trunk. We were watering every two weeks for about one hour. The thicker branches still appear to be resilient and green inside. Previously, we lost a chilean mesquite. In that instance we found white grub worms. Applications of "diozinon" were to no avail due to the extensive damage to the root system. SummerWinds Nursery is recommending a 4 hour watering time for every two weeks. Questions: 1. Chances of recovery for the Ebony. 2. Recommended watering. 3. How to determine if grubbs are still present and, if so, the product to use. Thank you. From rpcs30@email.sps.mot.com Thu Nov 1 22:42:26 2001 From: rpcs30@email.sps.mot.com (Alan Zelhart) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 15:42:26 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Trouble with winter rye... Message-ID: <3BE1CFD2.CD17EEA6@email.sps.mot.com> Hi Folks, I have a friend who is having trouble with his winter rye, and I'm not sure how to help him. He has one section in the front yard that he has seeded, covered lightly with topsoil, and kept watered 4 times a day as I perscribed to him. The grass just will not come up in this one small area. He has reseeded it twice now. Can anyone offer some advice on what he should be looking for, or what might be causing this problem? Thanks, ----- Alan Chandler, Arizona Sunset Zone: 13 http://www.gizmoaz.com Over 200 Roses and 125 Different varieties! Never a dull moment!! Check out the Garden Cams on Saturday and Sunday!! -- Delicious Autumn! My very soul is wedded to it, and if I were a bird I would fly about the earth seeking the successive autumns. ~George Eliot From lucyfp@qwest.net Thu Nov 1 22:43:44 2001 From: lucyfp@qwest.net (lucyfp@qwest.net) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:43:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111012243.fA1MhiY27262@Ag.arizona.edu> I Live 16 miles w. of Buckeye, off Lower Buckeye Rd. I am growing desert trees, such as acacias, desert fern, palo verde, etc. I'd like to know when to plant and prune these trees? I want to shape the sweet acacia from underneath to get it taller and more spread out. Thank you so much. Lucy ps. Chicken wire is the only way to go for Rabbits and ground squirrels out here. From glbonenberger@netzero.net Fri Nov 2 02:17:11 2001 From: glbonenberger@netzero.net (glbonenberger@netzero.net) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:17:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111020217.fA22HBY06031@Ag.arizona.edu> I have a grapefruit tree in my back yard that seems healthy, but the skin on all the grapefruit is splitting. It seems as though the fruit is outgrowing the skin and causing it to split. We just recently purchased this home and this is our first year's experience with the tree. It is about 6 feet tall and the fruit is about the size of a softball. Do you have any ideas about what is causing this? From johnkri@msn.com Fri Nov 2 03:39:00 2001 From: johnkri@msn.com (johnkri@msn.com) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:39:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111020339.fA23d0Y16530@Ag.arizona.edu> is it to late to plant rye grass From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Nov 2 13:58:39 2001 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 06:58:39 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Good cover crops? References: <007001c15c08$a2805e20$e2a10404@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3BE2A68F.B08C617F@qwest.net> > Here is one citation I brought up with a search on the UA website. There are others if you would care to utilize this feature. Just make sure to expand your search to include the Uof A, as opposed to just > the Maricopa County database. http://ag.arizona.edu/yavapai/anr/hort/byg/archive/covercrops.html Linda Guy, MG > Jonathan Kandell wrote: > > What are good "cover crops" for arid climates with alkaline soils? We have a patch of land we want to turn into soil. I've been thinking buckwheat and lupines. Do Vetch, Clover work in arid climates? > > jk From srogerssprint5@earthlink.net Fri Nov 2 14:38:08 2001 From: srogerssprint5@earthlink.net (Scott Rogers) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 07:38:08 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Grapefruit splitting References: <200111020217.fA22HBY06031@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <003601c163ab$fde53920$dcc50142@phoenix.speedchoice.com> Citrus splitting is usually caused by inappropriate watering management. There is nothing that can be done this season.It is best to remove and dispose of the fruit that is split as they will rot and cause problems. There is an excellent brochure "Irrigation Needs of Citrus" (MC17) you can pick this up for free at our main office or at one of the satellite offices. If you wish to have it mailed to you, there is a charge of $1.00. Here is a link to all of the publications that are available from any of our offices. http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm The items in blue can be downloaded by you. Scott Rogers MG ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 7:17 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page > I have a grapefruit tree in my back yard that seems healthy, but the skin on all the grapefruit is splitting. It seems as though the fruit is outgrowing the skin and causing it to split. We just recently purchased this home and this is our first year's experience with the tree. It is about 6 feet tall and the fruit is about the size of a softball. Do you have any ideas about what is causing this? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From ttmh45@aol.com Fri Nov 2 16:19:33 2001 From: ttmh45@aol.com (ttmh45@aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:19:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111021619.fA2GJXY04491@Ag.arizona.edu> A Saguaro Cactus, about 15 -18 feet high, fell in a yard across the street from my daughter. It has two arms, one of which someone has already taken off, so it is quite old already. She wants to take it to her yard and plant it. The people whose yard it fell in were going to cut it up. They have given my daughter a week to remove it. The weight on this thing? Close to a ton? How to move it the 75 to 100 feet from one yard to another? Can it be planted about an additional 3 feet deeper to give it some support? Can it be saved at all? Please reply. Thank you. Teresa Henneberry 11-02-01 From rcsvail@mindspring.com Fri Nov 2 21:31:48 2001 From: rcsvail@mindspring.com (rcsvail@mindspring.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:31:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111022131.fA2LVmY11214@Ag.arizona.edu> Hi, My next door neighbor is growing a beautiful vine on her wall. The vine has large waxy like leaves and big purple trumpet shape flowers.....She told me it was a cats claw.Is this true and if so can you send me some information about the vine?..Also what type of summer grass do you recommend for a yard that has 75% shade?... THANK YOU! From rcsvail@mindspring.com Fri Nov 2 21:32:48 2001 From: rcsvail@mindspring.com (rcsvail@mindspring.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:32:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111022132.fA2LWmY11406@Ag.arizona.edu> Hi, My next door neighbor is growing a beautiful vine on her wall. The vine has large waxy like leaves and big purple trumpet shape flowers.....She told me it was a cats claw.Is this true and if so can you send me some information about the vine?..Also what type of summer grass do you recommend for a yard that has 75% shade?... THANK YOU! From rpcs30@email.sps.mot.com Fri Nov 2 21:56:15 2001 From: rpcs30@email.sps.mot.com (Alan Zelhart) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:56:15 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page References: <200111022132.fA2LWmY11406@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <3BE3167E.5F5D2A42@email.sps.mot.com> No, that is not Cats Claw, Cats Claw has yellow trumpet shaped flowers. Can you tell me what the purple blooms look like? ----- Alan Chandler, Arizona Sunset Zone: 13 http://www.gizmoaz.com Over 200 Roses and 125 Different varieties! Never a dull moment!! Check out the Garden Cams on Saturday and Sunday!! -- Delicious Autumn! My very soul is wedded to it, and if I were a bird I would fly about the earth seeking the successive autumns. ~George Eliot rcsvail@mindspring.com wrote: > > Hi, > My next door neighbor is growing a beautiful vine on her wall. The vine has large waxy like leaves and big purple trumpet shape flowers.....She told me it was a cats claw.Is this true and if so can you send me some information about the vine?..Also what type of summer grass do you recommend for a yard that has 75% shade?... > THANK YOU! > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From pvu384@aol.com Fri Nov 2 23:27:25 2001 From: pvu384@aol.com (pvu384@aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:27:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111022327.fA2NRPY03393@Ag.arizona.edu> Is there any way to keep ants from eating my cabbage that does not require poison ant killer? Thanks Pat From srogerssprint5@earthlink.net Fri Nov 2 23:38:57 2001 From: srogerssprint5@earthlink.net (Scott Rogers) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:38:57 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Non-chemical ant control References: <200111022327.fA2NRPY03393@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <00d001c163f7$8f201180$dcc50142@phoenix.speedchoice.com> Here are a couple of suggestions you can try. I have used the orange slurry with success, but I have not tried the Cream of Wheat. For warm weather use make up a slurry of orange peel and water in your blender, locate the ant nest and pour the slurry on the nest, this is best done in the heat of the day. Another suggestion is to put a small amount of Cream of Wheat near the ant nest or by their trail. When the ants eat the Cream of Wheat they swell up and poof. This will take a little longer than the citrus slurry. Scott Rogers MG ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 4:27 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page > Is there any way to keep ants from eating my > cabbage that does not require poison ant killer? Thanks Pat > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Nov 2 23:51:50 2001 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:51:50 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Saguaro Cactus, transplanting Message-ID: <66.16b615c3.29148b96@aol.com> --part1_66.16b615c3.29148b96_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Planting a saguaro cactus that size is not a do it yourself project, I suggest that you contact a contractor who specializes in planting Saguaros. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener --part1_66.16b615c3.29148b96_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Planting a saguaro cactus that size is not a do it yourself project,  I suggest that you contact a contractor who specializes in planting Saguaros.

Good luck.

Rod McKusick
Master Gardener

--part1_66.16b615c3.29148b96_boundary-- From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Nov 2 23:51:54 2001 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:51:54 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Rye grass, planting time Message-ID: <120.67b2741.29148b9a@aol.com> --part1_120.67b2741.29148b9a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The window for planting rye grass here in the low desert is usually quoted as being October 15 to November 15. Using the temperatures as a guideline, the daytime highs should be under 90 degrees and the nightime lows should be in the low 60s. Another guideline is to plant before the soil temperature at a 4 inch depth drops below 63 degrees. When temps are below this the sprouting rate declines rapidly. Now is the ideal time to get the rye planted. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener --part1_120.67b2741.29148b9a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The window for planting rye grass here in the low desert is usually quoted as being October 15 to November 15. Using the temperatures as a guideline, the daytime highs should be under 90 degrees and the nightime lows should be in the low 60s. Another guideline is to plant before the soil temperature at a 4 inch depth  drops below 63 degrees. When temps are below this the sprouting rate declines rapidly.
Now is the ideal time to get the rye planted.

Good luck.

Rod McKusick
Master Gardener --part1_120.67b2741.29148b9a_boundary-- From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Nov 2 23:51:55 2001 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:51:55 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Planting and Pruning Desert Trees Message-ID: --part1_f8.11f801c3.29148b9b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would suggest that you check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on Arborculture for answers on planting and pruning at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/index.html Good luck Rod McKusick Master Gardener --part1_f8.11f801c3.29148b9b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would suggest that you check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on Arborculture for answers on planting and pruning at:  http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/index.html

Good luck

Rod McKusick
Master Gardener

--part1_f8.11f801c3.29148b9b_boundary-- From troiani@mindspring.com Sat Nov 3 16:58:43 2001 From: troiani@mindspring.com (troiani@mindspring.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 09:58:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111031658.fA3GwhY25458@Ag.arizona.edu> I have a mature Senna artemisiodes(feathery senna) that looks healthy except for the fact it seems to be dying one branch at a time. When I cut the affected branch off; the problem surfaces on another branch. At this rate I'm going to lose the whole bush. The affected branch just dries up and looks dead. From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sat Nov 3 20:07:30 2001 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:07:30 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Trouble with winter rye... Message-ID: <86.12049770.2915a882@aol.com> --part1_86.12049770.2915a882_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Allen, The spot that the rye is not sprouting may not be getting enough water. If this is the case the sprinkler heads may be adjusted to give better coverage. If this doesn't help or can't be done I would suggest watering for a longer perioid of time. I have a similiar problem and I just water longer so that the seed does not dry out. Good luck Rod --part1_86.12049770.2915a882_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Allen,

The spot that the rye is not sprouting may not be getting enough water.  
If this is the case the sprinkler heads may be adjusted to give better coverage. If this doesn't help or can't be done I would suggest watering for a longer perioid of time. I have a similiar problem and I just water longer so that the seed does not dry out.

Good luck

Rod --part1_86.12049770.2915a882_boundary-- From Barryneal2@home.com Sat Nov 3 22:12:13 2001 From: Barryneal2@home.com (Barryneal2@home.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:12:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111032212.fA3MCDY25981@Ag.arizona.edu> We are considering planting a chilean mesquite. The sewer line would be within a few feet of the trunk, and a pool a few feet further. Will there be a problem with roots? From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sat Nov 3 22:38:56 2001 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 17:38:56 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Trouble with winter rye... Message-ID: <62.166501a3.2915cc00@aol.com> --part1_62.166501a3.2915cc00_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Allen, The spot that the rye is not sprouting may not be getting enough water. If this is the case the sprinkler heads may be adjusted to give better coverage. If this doesn't help or can't be done I would suggest watering for a longer perioid of time. I have a similiar problem and I just water longer so that the seed does not dry out. Good luck Rod --part1_62.166501a3.2915cc00_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Allen,

The spot that the rye is not sprouting may not be getting enough water.  
If this is the case the sprinkler heads may be adjusted to give better coverage. If this doesn't help or can't be done I would suggest watering for a longer perioid of time. I have a similiar problem and I just water longer so that the seed does not dry out.

Good luck

Rod --part1_62.166501a3.2915cc00_boundary-- From starlene@qwest.net Sun Nov 4 00:33:23 2001 From: starlene@qwest.net (Starlene Stewart) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 17:33:23 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Help with watering timer References: <62.166501a3.2915cc00@aol.com> Message-ID: <009201c164c8$540c17c0$626bb5d1@pavilion> Hi, I hope one of you gardening gurus can help me with my watering timer. I've had this one for 3-4 years. It is battery operated. It has a smooth faceplate that you push the buttons and when you push them down, they beep to indicate you've made a selection. The choices are: Watering Start Time Watering Duration Single/Repeat On/Off Reset I have lost the directions for setting the timer. It has no indicating marks on it anywhere to help distinguish the type or name brand. I have drawn an image and put it up on my website if anyone would be so kind as to look and let me know if you've ever used such a timer, and how to set it. I remember that the directions for setting it were rather simple, I just don't remember what they were, or where the directions went! I didn't use it for a couple years, but I put the batteries in and it seems to be working, if I could just figure out how to set it. You can see the image here: http://www.starlene.com/images/timer.jpg Thanks in advance, Starlene Stewart Phoenix, Arizona From cmiliti7@aol.com Sun Nov 4 07:53:38 2001 From: cmiliti7@aol.com (cmiliti7@aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 02:53:38 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] wasps and grapes Message-ID: --part1_d3.1222b30.29164e02_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just moved into a home with sweet seedless grapes and noticed that wasps suck some of the grapes and leave them as a shell, i also have small children and worry about stings, is this common and what c an i do to prevent this from happening. Thank you Corrado Militi --part1_d3.1222b30.29164e02_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just moved into a home with sweet seedless grapes and noticed that wasps suck some of the grapes and leave them as a shell, i also have small children and worry about stings, is this common and what c an i do to prevent this from happening.
Thank you
Corrado Militi --part1_d3.1222b30.29164e02_boundary-- From starlene@qwest.net Sun Nov 4 15:30:50 2001 From: starlene@qwest.net (Starlene Stewart) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 08:30:50 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Help with watering timer References: <62.166501a3.2915cc00@aol.com> <009201c164c8$540c17c0$626bb5d1@pavilion> Message-ID: <000901c16545$af533820$a58bb4d1@pavilion> By the way, the timer is a Melnor. I found the cover plate for the face. I went to the Melnor site and the instructions they have don't include my timer. The ones they mention have a readout screen which flashes error messages, or flashes lights to indicate what you've set and mine doesn't have anything like that. It is just a plain level face. Thanks again, Starlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Starlene Stewart" To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Help with watering timer > Hi, I hope one of you gardening gurus can help me with my > watering timer. > > I've had this one for 3-4 years. It is battery operated. It has > a smooth faceplate that you push the buttons and when you push > them down, they beep to indicate you've made a selection. > > The choices are: > Watering Start Time > Watering Duration > Single/Repeat > On/Off > Reset > > I have lost the directions for setting the timer. It has no > indicating marks on it anywhere to help distinguish the type or > name brand. > > I have drawn an image and put it up on my website if anyone would > be so kind as to look and let me know if you've ever used such a > timer, and how to set it. I remember that the directions for > setting it were rather simple, I just don't remember what they > were, or where the directions went! I didn't use it for a couple > years, but I put the batteries in and it seems to be working, if > I could just figure out how to set it. > > You can see the image here: > http://www.starlene.com/images/timer.jpg > > Thanks in advance, > Starlene Stewart > Phoenix, Arizona > > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From gizmoaz@home.com Sun Nov 4 16:32:03 2001 From: gizmoaz@home.com (GizmoAZ) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 09:32:03 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Help with watering timer References: <62.166501a3.2915cc00@aol.com> <009201c164c8$540c17c0$626bb5d1@pavilion> <000901c16545$af533820$a58bb4d1@pavilion> Message-ID: <3BE56D82.835676C5@home.com> Hi Starlene, I saw their site, and they have contacts for you to contact them via email. Why don't you try contacting them and asking for the instructions to your timer. I think with the diagram that you have drawn, they will know which one you are talking about and will be able to email you the instructions for your specific timer. Regards, ----- Alan Chandler, Arizona Sunset Zone: 13 http://www.gizmoaz.com Over 200 Roses and 125 Different varieties! Never a dull moment!! Check out the Garden Cams on Saturday and Sunday!! -- Delicious Autumn! My very soul is wedded to it, and if I were a bird I would fly about the earth seeking the successive autumns. ~George Eliot Starlene Stewart wrote: > By the way, the timer is a Melnor. I found the cover plate for > the face. I went to the Melnor site and the instructions they > have don't include my timer. > > The ones they mention have a readout screen which flashes error > messages, or flashes lights to indicate what you've set and mine > doesn't have anything like that. It is just a plain level face. > > Thanks again, > Starlene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Starlene Stewart" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 5:33 PM > Subject: [Arid_gardener] Help with watering timer > > > Hi, I hope one of you gardening gurus can help me with my > > watering timer. > > > > I've had this one for 3-4 years. It is battery operated. It > has > > a smooth faceplate that you push the buttons and when you push > > them down, they beep to indicate you've made a selection. > > > > The choices are: > > Watering Start Time > > Watering Duration > > Single/Repeat > > On/Off > > Reset > > > > I have lost the directions for setting the timer. It has no > > indicating marks on it anywhere to help distinguish the type or > > name brand. > > > > I have drawn an image and put it up on my website if anyone > would > > be so kind as to look and let me know if you've ever used such > a > > timer, and how to set it. I remember that the directions for > > setting it were rather simple, I just don't remember what they > > were, or where the directions went! I didn't use it for a > couple > > years, but I put the batteries in and it seems to be working, > if > > I could just figure out how to set it. > > > > You can see the image here: > > http://www.starlene.com/images/timer.jpg > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Starlene Stewart > > Phoenix, Arizona > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Arid_gardener mailing list > > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > > > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From RkBetu@aol.com Sun Nov 4 18:45:45 2001 From: RkBetu@aol.com (RkBetu@aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:45:45 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Non-chemical ant control Message-ID: I found an excellent way to control ants when you can't find the nest. Mix boric acid with a little honey (add a little warm water to get it to mix). I put it in aluminum soda cans which can be set out or hung. Cover the can with masking tape to make it easier for the ants to crawl up. If you aren't worried about birds or pets, you can cut the cans down or use small lids or bowls. Boric acid is only slightly toxic, not deadly to pets. I've been using it for years and have dogs and cats, and lots of wild birds, with no problems. P.S. It also works great to get rid of cockroaches! Rocki in AZ From N-DSchmier@msn.com Sun Nov 4 20:33:19 2001 From: N-DSchmier@msn.com (N-DSchmier@msn.com) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:33:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111042033.fA4KXJY29336@Ag.arizona.edu> I have a 2-3 year old grapefruit tree that has been wilting when it is hot (above 90 degrees), it also has Pale spots in the leaves. I gets watered once a week with a bubbler that fills the well (the well is almost as big around as the tree). I put some chealated iron on it recently thinking that would help the spots. It just started doing this wilting this summer. I'm afraid if I don't solve this problem before next spring, I might loose it. I haven't been able to find anyone with a similar problem. Your help is greatly appreciated. From RodMcQ6@aol.com Sun Nov 4 21:18:16 2001 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 16:18:16 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Citrus with wilting leaves Message-ID: --part1_d2.eba9a1b.29170a98_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When a tree has leaves that wilt particularly when the temperatures are high, the cause is usually inadequate irrigation. Try filling that well twice and see if the leaves still wilt. Check out this site for info on watering citrus: www.ag.arizona.edu/pubs/crops/az1151 Good luck Rod McKusick Master Gardener --part1_d2.eba9a1b.29170a98_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When a tree has leaves that wilt particularly when the temperatures are high, the cause is usually inadequate irrigation. Try filling that well twice and see if the leaves still wilt.
Check out this site for info on watering citrus:  www.ag.arizona.edu/pubs/crops/az1151

Good luck

Rod McKusick
Master Gardener --part1_d2.eba9a1b.29170a98_boundary-- From lonesteer1@worldnet.att.net Mon Nov 5 03:26:41 2001 From: lonesteer1@worldnet.att.net (lyle race) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 22:26:41 -0500 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: [AG] Vine Plant for Trellis Message-ID: <000601c165a9$b1938cc0$98aa6520@computer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1657F.C6B6B840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable could you please send any info on growing grapes in yuma az.thank you lyle race ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1657F.C6B6B840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Y2YxXGxhbmcxMDMzXGxhbmdmZTEwMzNca2VybmluZzI4XGNncmlkXGxhbmducDEwMzNcbGFu Z2ZlbnAxMDMzIHtcZnMxMiBVOk1hcmtldGluZy9Qb2luc2V0dGlhIEZlc3RpdmFsIDIwMDEv UGZhY3QwMS5QdWJcdGFiIFx0YWIgXHRhYiBcdGFiIFx0YWIgXHRhYiBcdGFiIFx0YWIgXHRh YiB9ezgvNy8yMDAxfXsNClxjZjBca2VybmluZzAgDQpccGFyIH19 --------------E4D0702C18A84335045A5B57-- From cnoyes@Ag.arizona.edu Mon Nov 5 15:33:48 2001 From: cnoyes@Ag.arizona.edu (Carol Noyes) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:33:48 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Fwd: Avocado Tree roots Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20011105083336.00adfc80@ag.arizona.edu> >From: "J.C. Anain" >To: >Subject: Avocado Tree roots >Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:32:20 -0800 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2001 14:48:52.0725 (UTC) >FILETIME=[7D638250:01C163AD] >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ag.arizona.edu id >fA2EndY17178 > > >Hi, > >I live in Boca Raton, FL where the soil is sandy. In my backyard >I planted an avocado seedling about 3 years ago and now it is about >18 feet tall. My question is that in the past 8 months or >so the roots at the base of the trunk has started to expose >themselves and I am concerned it this may damage the >concrete wall on one side of my house. This wall is about 2 feet away >from the trunk of the tree. > >Thank you, From captainlou1902@aol.com Mon Nov 5 21:40:12 2001 From: captainlou1902@aol.com (captainlou1902@aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:40:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111052140.fA5LeCY10279@Ag.arizona.edu> If you can tell me. When is the best time of year to cut branches off orange & grapefruit trees. How close to the trunk of the tree can I cut so the tree will grow back. From arizpete@msn.com Mon Nov 5 22:08:48 2001 From: arizpete@msn.com (arizpete@msn.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:08:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111052208.fA5M8mY16772@Ag.arizona.edu> We planted two mesquites in our front yard about four years. They have grown very little compared to other mesquites planted at the same time. We think there must be some contamination in the soil causing this. Is there a fertilizer we can use that will boost their growth? Thanks From millero@worldnet.att.net Mon Nov 5 23:17:12 2001 From: millero@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:17:12 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Flower and Garden Show Message-ID: <000801c16650$1437c2a0$4d51530c@j0r9501> There is a general garden show, presented by the Valley of the Sun Gardeners club, on Saturday and Sunday, November 10 and 11 at the Summer Winds Nursery Blvd. Tatum and Grovers in North Phoenix. If you would like to enter exhibits in the show, there is a class for any flower, plant, or garden produce. The Flower and Garden Show is free and open to the public as well as to Club members, and it brings together examples of the many flowers, vegetables, and fruits that can be grown successfully in our desert climate. Objectives of the show are: to increase interest in gardening, to encourage the growing of plants by more people, to broaden horticultural knowledge and skills, and to improve the quality of plants grown. See: http://home.att.net/~millero/show/2001.htm for information on when and how to enter your exhibits or when the show is open for viewing. Olin Miller From umiller@azdps.com Mon Nov 5 22:15:55 2001 From: umiller@azdps.com (Ursula Miller) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:15:55 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Monster Slug or Grub Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C1660C.C45AA4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just saw a very large slug or grub in my yard and – true to my cowardly nature – I took off in the other direction. I wonder if anyone knows what it is. It was dark green and light green and about 1” in diameter. The colors were a little like an asparagus stem – dark green varied with light green around the circumference. I don’t know how long it was, but it was at least 3 inches long – that’s the part that I saw slowly disappearing under a dead leaf. This monster probably explains why one of my healthy plants in that corner of the property died and why its replacement (which was doing very well) is starting to look unhealthy now, too. Could it be a huge slug or grub? If so, how do I kill it? Normally I don’t care for chemical killers, but in this case, I’ll use anything that kills it and something that preferably makes me not have to go very close to it. I know that I should appreciate Nature’s many interesting little creatures, but I have my limits ----- Ursula Miller ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C1660C.C45AA4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just = saw a very large slug or grub in my yard and =96 true to my cowardly nature =96 I = took off in the other direction.=A0 I = wonder if anyone knows what it is.=A0 It was = dark green and light green and about 1=94 in diameter.=A0 The colors were a little like an asparagus stem =96 dark green = varied with light green around the circumference.=A0 I don=92t know how long it was, but it was at least 3 inches long =96 = that=92s the part that I saw slowly disappearing under a dead = leaf.

 

This = monster probably explains why one of my healthy plants in that corner of the = property died and why its replacement (which was doing very well) is starting to = look unhealthy now, too.=A0 Could it = be a huge slug or grub?=A0 If so, how do = I kill it?=A0 Normally I don=92t care for = chemical killers, but in this case, I=92ll use anything that kills it and something that = preferably makes me not have to go very close to it.=A0

 

I know = that I should appreciate Nature=92s many interesting little creatures, but I = have my limits -----=A0 =A0=A0

 

Ursula Miller

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------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C1660C.C45AA4C0-- From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Nov 6 02:48:23 2001 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:48:23 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Mesquite tree , slow growth Message-ID: <81.129ac0cf.2918a977@aol.com> --part1_81.129ac0cf.2918a977_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are several things that could slow the growth of your mesquite tree such as: A tree that was root bound when planted. A planting hole that was not adequate; recommended is a planting hole that is a minimun of thre times the diameter of the root ball. Planting in an area that was severely compacted. Planting where there is caliche, or in a hole that does not have adequate drainage. Inadequate irrigation. Fertilization once a year will be helpful, use a general purpose fertilizer or amonium sulfate. Check out the chapter on Arborculture in the Master Gardener Manual at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/index.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist --part1_81.129ac0cf.2918a977_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are several things that could slow the growth of your mesquite tree such as:
A tree that was root bound when planted.

A planting hole that was not adequate; recommended is a planting hole that is a minimun of thre times the diameter of the root ball.

Planting in  an area that was severely compacted.

Planting where there is caliche, or in a hole that does not have adequate drainage.

Inadequate irrigation.

Fertilization once a year will be helpful, use a general purpose fertilizer or amonium sulfate.

Check out the chapter on Arborculture in the Master Gardener Manual at:  http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/index.html

Good luck.

Rod McKusick
Master Gardener and Arborist
--part1_81.129ac0cf.2918a977_boundary-- From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Nov 6 02:48:25 2001 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:48:25 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Citrus, Pruning Message-ID: <64.15ba46f4.2918a979@aol.com> --part1_64.15ba46f4.2918a979_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit University of Arizona does not recommend pruning citrus trees except to remove dead or crossing branches and to keep the tree within bounds. If you must prune the best time of year is late winter or early spring and then do not remove more tha 15% at one time. If foliage is removed to expose either branches or the trunk, protection must be provided to p-revent sunburn either by using a white paint or a wrap such as burlap. When removing a branch at the trunk the cut should be made just outside the branch collar which will be about 1/4 inch away from the trunk. Check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on Arborculture which has info on pruning and is available at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/index.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener --part1_64.15ba46f4.2918a979_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit University of Arizona does not recommend pruning citrus trees except to remove dead or crossing branches and to keep the tree within bounds. If you must prune the best time of year is late winter or early spring and then do not remove more tha 15% at one time. If foliage is removed to expose either branches or the trunk, protection must be provided to p-revent sunburn either by using a white paint or a wrap such as burlap.
When removing a branch at the trunk the cut should be made just outside the branch collar which will be about 1/4 inch away from the trunk.
Check out the Master Gardener Manual chapter on Arborculture which has info on pruning and is available at:  http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/index.html

Good luck.

Rod McKusick
Master Gardener   --part1_64.15ba46f4.2918a979_boundary-- From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Nov 6 02:48:27 2001 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 21:48:27 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Tree roots invading a pool or sewer line Message-ID: <39.1d26b781.2918a97b@aol.com> --part1_39.1d26b781.2918a97b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If your pool or sewer line has a leak the tree roots will surely find it, if not the tree should be ok, however the mesquite roots are quite invasive. Just be sure that you consider the mature size of the tree which can be 25 to 40 feet wide. Good luck Rod McKusick Master Gardener --part1_39.1d26b781.2918a97b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If your pool or sewer line has a leak the tree roots will surely find it, if not the tree should be ok, however the mesquite roots are quite invasive. Just be sure that you consider the mature size of the tree which can be 25 to 40 feet wide.

Good luck

Rod McKusick
Master Gardener --part1_39.1d26b781.2918a97b_boundary-- From umiller@azdps.com Tue Nov 6 01:31:10 2001 From: umiller@azdps.com (Ursula Miller) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:31:10 -0700 Subject: FW: [Arid_gardener] Monster Slug or Grub Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C16628.0AB76280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cheryl and Cindy – That’s EXACTLY what it is. After you named it, I looked it up in one of my books and there it was. Grows up to 5 inches long according to the book. Yipes. (When I saw it in the yard, I shouted out “What Is THAT????” to nobody except my cat, who was very interested in the worm but didn’t answer my question.) I’ll give BT a try. (Better yet – my husband will give BT a try.) Ursula Miller -----Original Message----- From: Valpogrl@aol.com [mailto:Valpogrl@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 4:58 PM To: umiller@azdps.com Subject: Re: [Arid_gardener] Monster Slug or Grub Ursula, Could it be a tomato hornworm? I've seen some huge ones. Green to me suggests some type of catepillar. I would try BT (sold as Dipel occasionally). It's organic and only affects chewing cateplillars etc. It's worth a try. Cindy ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C16628.0AB76280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ch= eryl and Cindy – That’s EXACTLY what it is.  After you named it, I looked it up in one of my books and there = it was.  Grows up to 5 inches = long according to the book.  = Yipes.   (When I saw it in the = yard, I shouted out “What Is THAT????” to nobody except my cat, who = was very interested in the worm but didn’t answer my = question.)

 

I&= #8217;ll give BT a try.   (Better yet – my husband = will give BT a try.)

 

Ursula Miller

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-----Original Message-----
From: Valpogrl@aol.com [mailto:Valpogrl@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, November = 05, 2001 4:58 PM
To: umiller@azdps.com
Subject: Re: = [Arid_gardener] Monster Slug or Grub

 

Ursula,

Could it be a tomato hornworm? I've seen some huge ones.  Green to = me suggests some type of catepillar. I would try BT (sold as Dipel = occasionally). It's organic and only affects chewing cateplillars etc. It's worth a = try.
Cindy

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C16628.0AB76280-- From LSSMITH0718@hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 03:27:43 2001 From: LSSMITH0718@hotmail.com (LSSMITH0718@hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:27:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111060327.fA63RhY07536@Ag.arizona.edu> I recently purchased two small cactus plants. The instructions say to water until "established". I have been watering them daily, but wonder how I'll know that they are "established" and no longer require regular watering? From cingross@home.com Tue Nov 6 05:02:26 2001 From: cingross@home.com (cindy gross) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:02:26 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: [AG] Mushrooms Message-ID: <000601c16680$3ad26ac0$5ef40541@phnx3.az.home.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C16645.8E306F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi-=20 I watered a new tree in my lawn accidently all day and suddenly out = popped 3 mushrooms. I have seen "mushroom" type beings before, and they = have always looked odd.so i knew they were just fungus.. =20 THese however, smell like mushrooms, have the texture of the stem, and = the top like a real mushroom. I have not eaten them but have saved them = and am very curious if there is any way these could be edible mushrooms. I live at 40th and Shea near the desert preserve so these are pretty = arid soils, although it is possilble that they couldve come from the = soil planted in by the nursery with the tree. I water this tree twice a week for 2-3 hours and have been for about 6 = months, but only now have the mushrooms appeared.. ANy ideas on how I can get to the bottom of all this... Thanks for any info C Gross ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C16645.8E306F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi-
 
I watered a new tree in my lawn accidently all day = and=20 suddenly out popped 3 mushrooms.  I have seen "mushroom" type = beings=20 before, and they have always looked odd.so i knew they were just = fungus.. =20
 
THese however, smell like mushrooms, have the = texture of the=20 stem, and the top like a real mushroom.  I have not eaten them but = have=20 saved them and am very curious if there is any way these could be edible = mushrooms.
 
I live at 40th and Shea near the desert preserve so = these are=20 pretty arid soils, although it is possilble that they couldve come from = the soil=20 planted in by the nursery with the tree.
 
I water this tree twice a week for 2-3 hours and = have been for=20 about 6 months, but only now have the mushrooms appeared..
 
ANy ideas on how I can get to the bottom of all=20 this...
 
Thanks for any info
C Gross
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C16645.8E306F40-- From srogerssprint5@earthlink.net Tue Nov 6 13:25:03 2001 From: srogerssprint5@earthlink.net (Scott Rogers) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 06:25:03 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Watering cactus References: <200111060327.fA63RhY07536@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <001701c166c6$71baa660$dcc50142@phoenix.speedchoice.com> The instructions are wrong. You should stop watering now. Cactus do not need to be watered to "extablish" them. More cactus are killed from overwatering than underwatering. Most cactus grown outdoors should only be watered once a month during the hot summer months and not at all during cooler weather. When you do water, it is important to water deeply. Scott Rogers MG ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:27 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page > I recently purchased two small cactus plants. > The instructions say to water until "established". > I have been watering them daily, but wonder > how I'll know that they are "established" and > no longer require regular watering? From rcsvail@mindspring.com Tue Nov 6 16:02:57 2001 From: rcsvail@mindspring.com (rcsvail@mindspring.com) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:02:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111061602.fA6G2vY02719@Ag.arizona.edu> Hi, I have a section in my yard which I made into a nice Wildflower/Herb Garden.I started from seed which they are doing quite nicely. My problem is my dog keeps going in their and now I caught a neighbors cat doing the same.They walk in their and have destroyed a whole section of herbs. I solved the problem with my dog by putting up a small fence..She is 15yrs. old and will not jump it.The cat makes it's way in by coming off the blockwall.I heard Mothballs will keep them out.Is this true if not any suggestions will be appreciated?.. THANK YOU From patty1@qwest.net Tue Nov 6 18:04:26 2001 From: patty1@qwest.net (patty1@qwest.net) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:04:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111061804.fA6I4QY04762@Ag.arizona.edu> Do either of these vines do any damage to concrete block walls? Creeping fig? Cats claw? Thank you From mldyge@uswest.net Tue Nov 6 20:59:00 2001 From: mldyge@uswest.net (mldyge@uswest.net) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:59:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111062059.fA6Kx0Y15574@Ag.arizona.edu> Hello I am looking for info on pruning miniture orange trees & identifying seedlings as they germinate. I remember when seed companies would have an identifying pic on the package.The seedlings I wish info on are sweet peas,poppies & baby's breath. I thank-you in advance & appreciate the time & energy it takes to help me out. From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Nov 6 23:05:31 2001 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:05:31 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Cat's Claw and Creeping Fig vines, damage from Message-ID: <2f.1d465361.2919c6bb@aol.com> --part1_2f.1d465361.2919c6bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These vines have tendrils that attach to nearly any surface but will not damage a block wall except to leave the tendrils attached to the wall if the vines are removed. However a woodcen fence can be damaged by these vines. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener --part1_2f.1d465361.2919c6bb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These vines have tendrils that attach to nearly any surface but will not damage a block wall except to leave the tendrils attached to the wall if the vines are removed. However a woodcen fence can be damaged by these vines.

Good luck.

Rod McKusick
Master Gardener --part1_2f.1d465361.2919c6bb_boundary-- From RodMcQ6@aol.com Tue Nov 6 23:05:33 2001 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:05:33 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: [AG] Mushrooms Message-ID: <4c.145e611.2919c6bd@aol.com> --part1_4c.145e611.2919c6bd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are so many poisonous mushrooms out there that I would not even think about eating them unless they were identified by a mushroom specialist who knows how to identify the edible ones. I'm not an expert on mushrooms but am told that they originate from fungi that is attached to rotting wood particles in the soil and activated by moisture in the soil. It sounds like you are watering your tree too often and especially if it has been in the ground for six months. You didn't say what the tree was, but even the thirstiest tree would not require watering in the summer more than once a week. Check out this site for info on proper irrigation: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist --part1_4c.145e611.2919c6bd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are so many poisonous mushrooms out there that I would not even think about eating them unless they were identified by a mushroom specialist who knows how to identify the edible ones.
I'm not an expert on mushrooms but am told that they originate from fungi that is attached to rotting wood particles in the soil and activated by moisture in the soil.
It sounds like you are watering your tree too often and especially if it has been in the ground for six months. You didn't say what the tree was, but even the thirstiest tree would not require watering in the summer more than once a week. Check out this site for info on proper irrigation:  http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html

Good luck.

Rod McKusick
Master Gardener and Arborist --part1_4c.145e611.2919c6bd_boundary-- From Anne@pentargroup.com Wed Nov 7 02:38:39 2001 From: Anne@pentargroup.com (Anne@pentargroup.com) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:38:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111070238.fA72ccY16051@Ag.arizona.edu> We just purchased two jacaranda trees to plant by our pool (they haven't been delivered yet and we could change them.) We selected these at the suggestion of the nursery man. I now read that they are too messy for the pool. What about ficus nitida? Or do you have another suggestion. We need a clean, fast growing tree that will give us broad (wide) coverage because of a portion of a house behind us that we are trying to hide. Thank you. From gizmoaz@home.com Wed Nov 7 03:18:00 2001 From: gizmoaz@home.com (GizmoAZ) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:18:00 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page References: <200111070238.fA72ccY16051@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <3BE8A7E8.84B4A94E@home.com> Hi Anne, I've never looked into pool plants so I cannot tell you what will do well by the pool, but I most definetly would not recommend Jacaranda. They are terribly messy, both in spent blooms, and they generally loose all their small leaves and finer stems in the fall. Someone else here should be able to help you with plant selection. ----- Alan Chandler, Arizona Sunset Zone: 13 http://www.gizmoaz.com Over 200 Roses and 125 Different varieties! Never a dull moment!! Check out the Garden Cams on Saturday and Sunday!! -- Delicious Autumn! My very soul is wedded to it, and if I were a bird I would fly about the earth seeking the successive autumns. ~George Eliot Anne@pentargroup.com wrote: > We just purchased two jacaranda trees to plant by our pool (they haven't been delivered yet and we could change them.) We selected these at the suggestion of the nursery man. I now read that they are too messy for the pool. What about ficus nitida? Or do you have another suggestion. We need a clean, fast growing tree that will give us broad (wide) coverage because of a portion of a house behind us that we are trying to hide. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Wed Nov 7 15:48:49 2001 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:48:49 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Mushrooms References: <000601c16680$3ad26ac0$5ef40541@phnx3.az.home.com> Message-ID: <3BE957E1.EEE32A72@qwest.net> > You might be interested in the Mushroom Club listed at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/clubs/clubs.htm I agree with Rod, would never try my lawn fungus without considerable expert advice. Linda Guy, MG > cindy gross wrote: > > Hi- > > I watered a new tree in my lawn accidently all day and suddenly out popped 3 mushrooms. I have seen "mushroom" type beings before, and they have always looked odd.so i knew they were just fungus.. > > THese however, smell like mushrooms, have the texture of the stem, and the top like a real mushroom. I have not eaten them but have saved them and am very curious if there is any way these could be edible mushrooms. > > I live at 40th and Shea near the desert preserve so these are pretty arid soils, although it is possilble that they couldve come from the soil planted in by the nursery with the tree. > > I water this tree twice a week for 2-3 hours and have been for about 6 months, but only now have the mushrooms appeared.. > > ANy ideas on how I can get to the bottom of all this... > > Thanks for any info > C Gross From mgdlite37d@aol.com Wed Nov 7 15:53:13 2001 From: mgdlite37d@aol.com (mgdlite37d@aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:53:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111071553.fA7FrDY16235@Ag.arizona.edu> Would like some info about a couple of citrus trees I planted. Planted a Lisbon lemon, and a Washington navel as tagged at SummerWinds nursury. Was told not to fertilize or do anything but water as needed. Following the direction of the professionals, the lemon has put on some nice(sprigs) leaves(new growth)but the orange has done nothing. What am I doing or can do to promote some growth or just wait till Feb and give it its normal feeding. Been in Ariz. for about 30 years and have raised some good citrus/fruit trees. Need help with this one. Thanks Sal Cannizzo "Have a Great Day" From lindaguy@qwest.net Wed Nov 7 15:57:53 2001 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:57:53 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Growing Grapes References: <000601c165a9$b1938cc0$98aa6520@computer> Message-ID: <3BE95A01.50F4B90B@qwest.net> --------------98275908076E6648AA8F4ADD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have a publication on grapes for the homeowner [MC-59] which you can order at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm Good luck! Linda Guy, MG lyle race wrote: > could you please send any info on growing grapes in yuma az.thank > you lyle race --------------98275908076E6648AA8F4ADD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have a publication on grapes for the homeowner [MC-59] which you can order at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm

Good luck!
Linda Guy, MG

lyle race wrote:

could you please send any info on growing grapes in yuma az.thank you                         lyle race
--------------98275908076E6648AA8F4ADD-- From lindaguy@qwest.net Wed Nov 7 16:01:56 2001 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:01:56 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Avocado Roots Message-ID: <3BE95AF3.7ECA79F1@qwest.net> I'm not sure what your question is, but it seems you already know you have a potential problem with the roots. Footings for a house are usually deeper than those for walled fences and for sidewalks, both of which are more easily uprooted. I've seen many trees quite close to homes with no negative impact, but have witnessed pushed up sidewalks and enclosures. Depending on your situation, you might be needing to pull out the tree. Is it small enough to be relocated? Linda Guy, MG Phoenix, AZ From lindaguy@qwest.net Wed Nov 7 16:05:48 2001 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:05:48 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Cat Control References: <200111061602.fA6G2vY02719@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <3BE95BDC.8669611@qwest.net> I can't remember the specific material, but it seems to me that others have written favorably about the use of cinders or something that cats hate to have their paws in. I've used home made pepper sprays [super hot, medical grade from an herb shop] on the tops of my block walls with some success. Needs to be reapplied, but sometimes it chases the cats away for months before they try again, at which time you'd be ready to spray once more. Predator urine [easily found with any search engine] is the latest 'brew du jour' and, no, I don't know how it is collected! In these same organic farm catalogs, I've also seen plastic contraptions that resemble beds of nails that are placed in targeted areas. Good luck! Linda Guy, MG rcsvail@mindspring.com wrote: > Hi, > I have a section in my yard which I made into a nice Wildflower/Herb Garden.I started from seed which they are doing quite nicely. My problem is my dog keeps going in their and now I caught a neighbors cat doing the same.They walk in their and have destroyed a whole section of herbs. I solved the problem with my dog by putting up a small fence..She is 15yrs. old and will not jump it.The cat makes it's way in by coming off the blockwall.I heard Mothballs will keep them out.Is this true if not any suggestions will be appreciated?.. > THANK YOU > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From lindaguy@qwest.net Wed Nov 7 16:15:37 2001 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:15:37 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Poolside Trees References: <200111070238.fA72ccY16051@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <3BE95E29.4E4B9B24@qwest.net> Jacarandas are not only messy, they become huge. For suggestions on poolside landscaping check out our publication on the topic [AZ 1058] at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm You can access it online. Linda Guy, MG Anne@pentargroup.com wrote: > We just purchased two jacaranda trees to plant by our pool (they haven't been delivered yet and we could change them.) We selected these at the suggestion of the nursery man. I now read that they are too messy for the pool. What about ficus nitida? Or do you have another suggestion. We need a clean, fast growing tree that will give us broad (wide) coverage because of a portion of a house behind us that we are trying to hide. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From pweedy46@aol.com Wed Nov 7 17:36:56 2001 From: pweedy46@aol.com (pweedy46@aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:36:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111071736.fA7HauY11108@Ag.arizona.edu> I am looking for the seeds or root s of the Maturique Root ( cacalia decomosita) it was photographed in your area, looked like in the mountains, would you have information on where I can buy this plant. Thank You Pat Dice medical herbalist From jkandell@twistedclicks.com Wed Nov 7 18:16:19 2001 From: jkandell@twistedclicks.com (Jonathan Kandell) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:16:19 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Cat Control References: <200111061602.fA6G2vY02719@Ag.arizona.edu> <3BE95BDC.8669611@qwest.net> Message-ID: <001d01c167b9$76c02880$aba20404@oemcomputer> A coyote in your herb patch will keep out the cats. ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Guy To: Cc: Arid_gardener Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:05 AM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Cat Control > I can't remember the specific material, but it seems to me that others have written favorably about the use of cinders or something that cats hate to have their paws in. I've used home made pepper sprays [super hot, medical grade from an herb shop] on the tops of my block walls with some success. Needs to be reapplied, but sometimes it chases the cats away for months before they try again, at which time you'd be ready to spray once more. Predator urine [easily found with any search engine] is the latest 'brew du jour' and, no, I > don't know how it is collected! In these same organic farm catalogs, I've also seen plastic contraptions that resemble beds of nails that are placed in targeted areas. > > Good luck! > Linda Guy, MG > > rcsvail@mindspring.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > I have a section in my yard which I made into a nice Wildflower/Herb Garden.I started from seed which they are doing quite nicely. My problem is my dog keeps going in their and now I caught a neighbors cat doing the same.They walk in their and have destroyed a whole section of herbs. I solved the problem with my dog by putting up a small fence..She is 15yrs. old and will not jump it.The cat makes it's way in by coming off the blockwall.I heard Mothballs will keep them out.Is this true if not any suggestions will be appreciated?.. > > THANK YOU > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Arid_gardener mailing list > > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From Mikarrony@aol.com Thu Nov 8 06:31:14 2001 From: Mikarrony@aol.com (Mikarrony@aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:31:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111080631.fA86VEY12205@Ag.arizona.edu> My orange tree is in Bloom in Phoenix, AZ??? Help!! It is November 7. Is my orange tree very very sick? Is this the beginning of the end for my beloved naval oranges?? From drew_linda@hotmail.com Thu Nov 8 12:34:57 2001 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:34:57 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] citrus blooming in fall Message-ID: Citrus will sometimes bloom in the fall. This may be the result of drought during the summer or it may just be a natural occurrence. Probably nothing to worry about -- the bloom will usually not set fruit. Linda Drew Master Gardener >From: Mikarrony@aol.com >To: >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:31:14 -0700 (MST) > >My orange tree is in Bloom in Phoenix, AZ??? Help!! It is November 7. Is >my orange tree very very sick? Is this the beginning of the end for my >beloved naval oranges?? > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jawyse@aol.com Thu Nov 8 14:57:36 2001 From: jawyse@aol.com (jawyse@aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:57:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111081457.fA8EvaY23611@Ag.arizona.edu> KAthy How do I get a password for the Master Gardener web site? Jan Wyse From RodMcQ6@aol.com Thu Nov 8 21:15:13 2001 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:15:13 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Citrus, slow growth Message-ID: <9d.1dedcdfe.291c4fe1@aol.com> --part1_9d.1dedcdfe.291c4fe1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sal, Lemon trees typically grow more vigorously than other citrus and especially if the orange is a naval. The root stock that the trees were grafted to may make a difference also. The first years growth is usually not very noticeable, so I don't think that you have anything to worry about. Be sure not to over fertilize when you apply fertilize in February, not more than 4 tablespoons applied in February, April and July for a one year old tree. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener --part1_9d.1dedcdfe.291c4fe1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sal,

Lemon trees  typically grow more vigorously than other citrus and especially if the orange is a naval. The root stock that the trees were grafted to may make a difference also. The first years growth is usually not very noticeable, so I don't think that you have anything to worry about.

Be sure not to over fertilize when you apply fertilize in February, not more than 4 tablespoons applied in February, April and July for a one year old tree.

Good luck.

Rod McKusick
Master Gardener --part1_9d.1dedcdfe.291c4fe1_boundary-- From drew_linda@hotmail.com Thu Nov 8 22:30:58 2001 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 22:30:58 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Hardiness key for Tucson? Message-ID: Hello i received this question and would like to know if anyone has such a hardiness key. Thanks, Linda Drew >In your research of desert plants, have you run across a hardiness key for >Tucson? I'm looking for something that gives a guide, for instance, > >Hardy = down to 10 degrees or below >Half hardy = down to 25 degrees >Tender = freezes between 32 and 28 > >You ever find anything like that? I could make one up, but I think it best >to have one that came out of a research organization. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dmkerr2@home.com Thu Nov 8 23:42:18 2001 From: dmkerr2@home.com (dmkerr2@home.com) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:42:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111082342.fA8NgHY23850@Ag.arizona.edu> I am sowing clover and sweet peas among my broccoli and cauliflower this fall. Is this kind of co-cultivation a useful source of nitrogen? Or is the amount produced only trivial? What co-cultivation crop produces the most nitrogen? From RkBetu@aol.com Fri Nov 9 13:49:44 2001 From: RkBetu@aol.com (RkBetu@aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:49:44 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] non-poisonous ant/roach control Message-ID: <153.3bbd8ad.291d38f8@aol.com> Non lethal ant and cockroach control I never measure, but the main ingrediants are about equal: 1 Tbs of boric acid (found at drug stores, cheap), mixed with 1 Tbs of honey or powdered sugar. If you use honey, I add just a drop or two of hot water or melt the honey so that it can mix. This works best with the small ants - tiny piss ants, and the biting Az. fire ants. For cockroaches: 1 Tbs boric acid, 1 Tbs powdered sugar, 1 Tbs of masa (cornmeal also works). I keep this out year round and the only roaches I ever see are one or two dead ones. I 've been using this formula for years and it really works! Good luck! Rocki in AZ From carolineharding@hotmail.com Fri Nov 9 13:50:59 2001 From: carolineharding@hotmail.com (carolineharding@hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 06:50:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111091350.fA9DoxY25623@Ag.arizona.edu> I recently moved to Arizona and am having trouble identifying some plants in my landscape. I have four rosebush-looking shrubs that climb on trellis', similar to roses, except that the leaves are not serrated. The leaf pattern in many of the long branches is the same 3/2 pattern as roses...three palmate end leaves with two below, but sometimes there are only 3 leaves. The shrub has thorns, although not on every branch, and still has some spent flowers clinging to it which appear to have been yellow or white with the same type of sepal. Any suggestions? From lindaguy@qwest.net Fri Nov 9 15:28:58 2001 From: lindaguy@qwest.net (Linda Guy) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 08:28:58 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Cereals as insecticide Message-ID: <3BEBF63A.E6DBFF91@qwest.net> A few weeks ago, there was some discussion about the use of cream of wheat as an ant deterrent. I've heard of this use and others off and on over the years, and wonder if there is documentation that this actually works. Or is this another 'urban legend' like wedding rice being bad for birds in whose stomachs it is said to 'explode' [it does not and is no different than other seeds/grains which it is]. Just curious....anyone know? Linda From drew_linda@hotmail.com Fri Nov 9 15:31:59 2001 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 15:31:59 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Tombstone rose Message-ID: The plant you describe sounds like the Tombstone or Lady Banks' Rose, Rosa banksiae. Linda Drew Master Gardener >From: carolineharding@hotmail.com >To: >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 06:50:59 -0700 (MST) > >I recently moved to Arizona and am having trouble identifying some plants >in my landscape. I have four rosebush-looking shrubs that climb on >trellis', similar to roses, except that the leaves are not serrated. The >leaf pattern in many of the long branches is the same 3/2 pattern as >roses...three palmate end leaves with two below, but sometimes there are >only 3 leaves. The shrub has thorns, although not on every branch, and >still has some spent flowers clinging to it which appear to have been >yellow or white with the same type of sepal. Any suggestions? > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From charlotte337@home.com Fri Nov 9 15:38:31 2001 From: charlotte337@home.com (charlotte337@home.com) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:38:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111091538.fA9FcVR14249@Ag.arizona.edu> I have my first lawn and drip system. I have not been able to find info re watering through the Fall and Winter. I am keeping the bermuda grass through the winter. When should I lessen the watering ? Now I am doing 10 mins at 3:30 AM. The drip is on 1 hour after the sprinklers. Could someone please guideme as to watering...info or sites. Thank you in advance. From RodMcQ6@aol.com Fri Nov 9 16:09:27 2001 From: RodMcQ6@aol.com (RodMcQ6@aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:09:27 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Bermuda Grass, winter watering when dormant Message-ID: --part1_de.1d34724b.291d59b7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I water dormant bermuda grass once every two to three weeks. Change your schedule when the bermuda goes dormant(turns brown). I suggest daytime watering during this period. Check out these websites for more info: http://www.ci.phoenix.az.us/WATER/lawnguid.html#LONG http://www.amwua.org/xscp-wateringschedules.htm http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/lawns/index.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener --part1_de.1d34724b.291d59b7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I water dormant bermuda grass once every two to three weeks. Change your schedule when the bermuda goes dormant(turns brown). I suggest daytime watering during this period. Check out these websites for more info:  http://www.ci.phoenix.az.us/WATER/lawnguid.html#LONG

http://www.amwua.org/xscp-wateringschedules.htm

http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/lawns/index.html

Good luck.

Rod McKusick
Master Gardener --part1_de.1d34724b.291d59b7_boundary-- From drew_linda@hotmail.com Fri Nov 9 18:47:27 2001 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 18:47:27 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] lawn, winter irrigation Message-ID: The Master Gardener Manual has a good chapter on lawns: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/lawns/ Check specifically the maintenance schedule for bermuda grass for water requirements. Bermuda is dormant during the winter. Also, a good resource for gardening information, check: http://ag.arizona.edu/gardening Linda Drew Master Gardener >From: charlotte337@home.com >To: >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:38:31 -0700 (MST) > >I have my first lawn and drip system. I have not been able to find info re >watering through the Fall and Winter. I am keeping the bermuda grass >through the winter. When should I lessen the watering ? Now I am doing 10 >mins at 3:30 AM. The drip is on 1 hour after the sprinklers. > >Could someone please guideme as to watering...info or sites. > >Thank you in advance. > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jkandell@twistedclicks.com Sat Nov 10 02:16:02 2001 From: jkandell@twistedclicks.com (Jonathan Kandell) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:16:02 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] curing sweet potatoes Message-ID: <002001c1698e$5e90b960$d3a10404@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C16952.F8A237E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone tell me how to cure sweet potatoes in an arid environment? I = see they should be at 85 degrees with 90 % humidity for eight days. How = do I get 90% humidity in a desert? Can I cure them in the hot desert = air? ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C16952.F8A237E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can anyone tell me how to cure sweet = potatoes in an=20 arid environment?  I see they should be at 85 degrees with = 90 %=20 humidity for eight days.  How do I get 90% humidity in a = desert?  Can=20 I cure them in the hot desert air?
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C16952.F8A237E0-- From drew_linda@hotmail.com Sat Nov 10 12:46:28 2001 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:46:28 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] curing sweet potatoes Message-ID: I have not grown sweet potatoes myself. I would recommend the book "Desert Gardening, Fruits and Vegetables" by George Brookbank. (he gardens in Tucson). You may be able to find a copy at your local library branch or it can be found at bookstores or it can be purchased off the internet. George recommends curing 7-10 days at 85-90 degrees F but does not mention humidity. After curing, store at 45-50 degrees in dark, dry place or prepare and freeze. Linda Drew Master Gardener >From: "Jonathan Kandell" >To: >CC: "Olin Miller" >Subject: [Arid_gardener] curing sweet potatoes >Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:16:02 -0700 > >Can anyone tell me how to cure sweet potatoes in an arid environment? I >see they should be at 85 degrees with 90 % humidity for eight days. How do >I get 90% humidity in a desert? Can I cure them in the hot desert air? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From sueperbanks@worldnet.att.net Sun Nov 11 22:19:17 2001 From: sueperbanks@worldnet.att.net (sueperbanks@worldnet.att.net) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:19:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111112219.fABMJGR07132@Ag.arizona.edu> How long and how often should my drip system be on my roses now that it's cooling off? They're on the same frequency as low water plants (lantana, dwarf oleander, ruella, yellow bells & ...what I call Texas sage but I think the botanical name is "Leucophyllum"). If I put 1 gal/hr ends on the low water and 2 gal/hr on the roses, is there a happy medium for wattering? From jkandell@twistedclicks.com Mon Nov 12 00:38:50 2001 From: jkandell@twistedclicks.com (Jonathan Kandell) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:38:50 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] what is this nutty tasting seedling? Message-ID: <001001c16b12$9a3da880$32aa3604@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C16AD7.B995CE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a bunch of seedlings (weeds?) in my garden. They come up with a = firm stem and first leaves like a melon; the first real leaf is a bit = ragged and a bit hairy. The flavor is almost nutty! Any idea what = these are? j ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C16AD7.B995CE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a bunch of seedlings (weeds?) in = my garden.=20 They come up with a firm stem and first leaves like a melon; the first = real leaf=20 is a bit ragged and a bit hairy.  The flavor is almost nutty!  = Any=20 idea what these are?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C16AD7.B995CE00-- From ClaireASP@aol.com Mon Nov 12 01:05:10 2001 From: ClaireASP@aol.com (ClaireASP@aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:05:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111120105.fAC15AR20233@Ag.arizona.edu> Should I add bone meal, when conditioning the soil before planting? Thanks for your help. From jkandell@twistedclicks.com Mon Nov 12 05:02:53 2001 From: jkandell@twistedclicks.com (Jonathan Kandell) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:02:53 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] bone meal. (was: Question from Home-Hort WWW page References: <200111120105.fAC15AR20233@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <001701c16b37$a3b1db00$deaa3604@oemcomputer> Planting what? I use bonemeal in my beds before planting vegetables and it works very well. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 6:05 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page > Should I add bone meal, when conditioning the soil before planting? Thanks for your help. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From drew_linda@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 17:24:40 2001 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:24:40 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] what is this nutty tasting seedling? Message-ID: Hard to tell for sure what these might be. I suspect there are mesquite seedlings -- only because so many of them are coming up right now. When you say the first leaves look like a melon -- do you mean fat, round 'first' leaves? If so, possibly in the legume family. Or do you mean a lobed leaf typical of a melon? In that case, it might be devil's claw which looks a lot like a melon plant when it begins to grow. Linda Drew Master Gardener >From: "Jonathan Kandell" >To: >CC: "Organic Gardenling List" >Subject: [Arid_gardener] what is this nutty tasting seedling? >Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:38:50 -0700 > >I have a bunch of seedlings (weeds?) in my garden. They come up with a firm >stem and first leaves like a melon; the first real leaf is a bit ragged and >a bit hairy. The flavor is almost nutty! Any idea what these are? > >j _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From millero@worldnet.att.net Mon Nov 12 20:38:24 2001 From: millero@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:38:24 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Rock Phosphates, Greensand References: <002001c1698e$5e90b960$d3a10404@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <005301c16bbf$a32dd520$d251530c@j0r9501> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Kandell" >Two questions, if you don't mind. I noticed in your invaluable guide to >growing vegetables in the sw, you said not to use rock phosphate since they >won't dissolve in our soils. Is that true even if you add lots of >compost/sulfur/coffee etc? If these soils manage to grow non-native >vegetables (as they do quite well) when amended, won't they also allow the >conversion of phosphate into usable chemicals? Probably for a while. But you need to keep adding all of the organic stuff and manage the pH because even if you can get the pH to neutral or the acid side the high soil calcium and the high pH in our irrigation water will eventually dissolve all of your organic stuff and you will be back to square one. Besides, rock phosphate fertilizers are pretty hard to find here and expensive by mail order because of shipping charges. >Second, a gardener here adds greensand. That's pretty much useless here, >right Don't know anything about greensand. Sorry. Re Family Tree. My Kendall ancestors apparently emigrated to the US from England in 1670. My great great grandfather, Jonathan Kandel, settled among the Amish and Mennonite people in Ohio in the 1830s and, consequently, my Kendall branch is predominantly Mennonite. Olin From millero@worldnet.att.net Mon Nov 12 20:44:53 2001 From: millero@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:44:53 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] curing sweet potatoes References: <002001c1698e$5e90b960$d3a10404@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <005401c16bbf$a3bbbd40$d251530c@j0r9501> I wonder if you may be making this a little too difficult. Why not just let them dry for a few weeks in the shade like potatoes or onions then store like potatoes and onions ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Kandell" Can anyone tell me how to cure sweet potatoes in an arid environment? I see they should be at 85 degrees with 90 % humidity for eight days. How do I get 90% humidity in a desert? Can I cure them in the hot desert air? From caperry@fastq.com Mon Nov 12 22:50:23 2001 From: caperry@fastq.com (caperry@fastq.com) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:50:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111122250.fACMoNR07889@Ag.arizona.edu> Where can I find organic compost to spread as a top layer on my garden? From suzykat@qwest.net Mon Nov 12 23:39:17 2001 From: suzykat@qwest.net (suzykat@qwest.net) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:39:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111122339.fACNdHR23939@Ag.arizona.edu> Hi - I live in Tempe, and I was wondering when the best time to plant cats claw or purple snail vines would be. I'd like to put some trellises in this month or next month, but I don't want to do any planting if they won't do well at this time. Thanks for your help! From drew_linda@hotmail.com Mon Nov 12 23:53:00 2001 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:53:00 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] organic compost Message-ID: If you are in Tucson, call the Master Gardeners at 626-5161. They have phone numbers for the Tucson Organic Gardeners Club and also for the compost from the Campbell Avenue Dairy Farm. Linda Drew Master Gardener >From: caperry@fastq.com >To: >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:50:23 -0700 (MST) > >Where can I find organic compost to spread as >a top layer on my garden? > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From millero@worldnet.att.net Tue Nov 13 00:47:06 2001 From: millero@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:47:06 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Organic Compost References: <200111122250.fACMoNR07889@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <003701c16bf5$c8711be0$f853530c@j0r9501> In the greater Phoenix area, try Western Organics or Pioneer Landscape Supply (both in the phone book) or any landscape supply company. -Olin ----- Original Message ----- From: > Where can I find organic compost to spread as > a top layer on my garden? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From mtemple@imap2.asu.edu Tue Nov 13 07:05:40 2001 From: mtemple@imap2.asu.edu (mtemple@imap2.asu.edu) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:05:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111130705.fAD75dR26882@Ag.arizona.edu> My red grapfruit tree in Tucson has many large, softball sized grapfruit on it. At what time will I expect the characteristic red pigmentation. This is the first year that this 3 year old tree has had fruit, thus my inquiry. From dmkerr2@home.com Tue Nov 13 12:40:50 2001 From: dmkerr2@home.com (Kerr Family) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 05:40:50 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] mulch, don't compost palm fronds Message-ID: <000801c16c40$6d0efc90$328e0541@cx89858a> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C16C05.C066E690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shredding palm fronds is difficult because of the tough and flexible = fibers. I had had great luck using them as mulch under my trees. They = lay flat to make an even bed. Cover with ordinary mulch for appearance. = =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C16C05.C066E690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C16C05.C066E690-- From s2@arcworldwide.com Tue Nov 13 17:02:53 2001 From: s2@arcworldwide.com (Sherryl Stalinski) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:02:53 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Pruning Questions References: Message-ID: <3BF1523D.9EBF1528@auroranow.org> Hi everyone, I have a couple fall pruning questions. After completely neglecting the garden/landscaping I worked so hard on all spring for over five months because of my work schedule, I'm happy to report that I obviously chose wisely--everything is blooming and thriving and HUGE. I've even come to a truce with my illiterate rabbits who eat everything they're not supposed to--they keep all the plant and flower debris cleaned up for me (even though they've also successfully pruned all the low branches off my young feather tree and gnawed the trunk of my sweet acacia). My sweet acacia grew almost 4 feet and is now almost 9-10 feet tall. I'd like to prune away some of the lower branches to encourage it to be more treelike. When should I do this? How concerned should I be about the trunks where the rabbits gnawed? (it's still growing and I noticed the gnawing 2-3 months ago). My young pomegranate tree/bush also grew nicely--almost 3 feet and is now almost 5 feet--but very bushy. I like the 'fountainy' look of some I've seen. But at the moment its too bushy. When should I prune this one? I know to prune my buddleia about now, but what about the salvia leucantha (mexican bush sage?) the blue spires are now white and looking pretty spent. Do I prune those off? When? I planted two tiny 4" purple lantana about 2 feet apart and now I have a sea of purple almost 10 foot in diameter (and usually COVERED with butterflies). Will it keep spreading at this rate? Should I cut it back to tame it a bit? When? Oh--all my brittlebush are blooming. I'm sure because they were 2-3" volunteers in Feb-March when I planted them and I wanted to make sure they established nicely so they've been getting more-than-nature water (Most are 2-1/2-3 feet; one getting roof runoff is 4-1/2' tall & wide and even lost some branches that just got too top heavy). Will they bloom again in the spring when they're supposed to? -- Sherryl Stalinski, M.A. Vice President, Communications & Technology ARC Worldwide -- http://www.arcworldwide.com Tucson office: (520) 578-2801 || page me online at AOL-IM: AuroraS2 Aurora Now Foundation -- http://www.auroranow.org ===================================================== "I became convinced we are here for each other." -- R. Buckminster Fuller From LBrimhall@asu.edu Tue Nov 13 20:33:01 2001 From: LBrimhall@asu.edu (LBrimhall@asu.edu) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:33:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111132033.fADKX1R19619@Ag.arizona.edu> I planted a nectarine tree about 5 -6 years ago for my South Tempe yard (Warner & Kyrene area). It has not yet produced fruit. This past Spring it had profuse blossoms, but no fruit. What can be done? If is never going to produce, I intend to remove it this winter. I also have in my yard productive apricot, plum, peach trees. (plus lots of citrus) What do you suggest I do with this nectarine tree. one nectarine tree? From LBrimhall@asu.edu Tue Nov 13 20:42:06 2001 From: LBrimhall@asu.edu (LBrimhall@asu.edu) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:42:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111132042.fADKg6R13954@Ag.arizona.edu> I have grown a garden in my south Tempe yard but not in the last couple of years. I just prepared the soil in the 10 x 18 ft. plot for planting yesterday. We enjoy growing and eating our own vegetables. What can we plant at this time of year that will survive the coming cold season and produce tasty table veggies: peas? string beans? tomatos? carrots? potatos? I should mention that the plot is on the north side of the house and gets direct sun only on about a fifth of the plot at this time of the year. From weaselfry@home.com Tue Nov 13 23:20:29 2001 From: weaselfry@home.com (weaselfry@home.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:20:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200111132320.fADNKTR15094@Ag.arizona.edu> My prickly pear cactus has white clumps all over and is now starting to lay down. HELP! From drew_linda@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 23:59:48 2001 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:59:48 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] cochineal scale Message-ID: Sounds like you have an insect called cochineal scale. Prune off the most heavily covered pads. Spray the others with a soap water solution (1 teaspoon dish liquid to 1 gallon water). Follow by spraying all over with a strong jet of water. you may need to treat again in a week. For more information, go to: http://ag.arizona.edu/pipermail/arid_gardener/ and type in cochineal scale Linda Drew Master Gardener >From: weaselfry@home.com >To: >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:20:29 -0700 (MST) > >My prickly pear cactus has white clumps all over and is now starting to lay >down. HELP! > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From srogerssprint5@earthlink.net Wed Nov 14 00:01:50 2001 From: srogerssprint5@earthlink.net (Scott Rogers) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:01:50 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Cochineal scale References: <200111132320.fADNKTR15094@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <003701c16c9f$90af6c20$dcc50142@phoenix.speedchoice.com> What you have is cochineal scale. If left untreated the cochineal multiplies and covers the plant. This is not only an eyesore; it can weaken and kill the host plant as the insect is sucking the plant juices. Here is a link that discusses the different methods of dealing with this pest. http://ag.arizona.e