From popsy97@yahoo.com Thu Aug 1 00:45:12 2002 From: popsy97@yahoo.com (Judy Braden) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Spotted spurge; ants In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020801004512.47134.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> I've often seen ant colonies that seem to be related to spurge. I wonder if they carry the seeds into their nests where they sprout. I've pulled spurge that brought ants pouring out. OUCH. --- Linda Drew wrote: > To be effective, you need to know what kind of ants > you have. > It sounds like you have southern fire ants and the > Andro should > control them. > > We have many different species of ants. These are > the ones > that are most likely to be in your yard: > > pavement ants > tiny (1/8 inch) brown ants often seen as long > lines > crossing pavement > general scavenging; eats fallen saguaro fruits > has no stinger but gives off a foul odor if > disturbed > nest inconspicuous > no control needed > > harvester ants > 3/8 inch long, black and shiny, quick-moving > feed on insects and seeds > bite and sting; cause extreme pain and > discomfort > nest is a flat cleared area with depressed > entrance; > may also have a small crescent of soil at one > side of entrance > grind up 3-4 oranges including peel and > immediately pour > the slurry down the entrance hole > > leafcutter ants > tiny to 3/8 inch long;dull reddish-brown > eat a special fungus they cultivate on harvested > leaves > often see long trails of leaf parts leading to > nest > can bite > nest is a very symmetrical mound of fresh soil > like a > volcano cinder cone that appears after summer > rains > grind up 3-4 oranges including peel and > immediately pour > the slurry down the entrance hole > > southern fire ant > 1/8 to 1/4 inch long; shiny; two-toned red and > black > insect eaters > bite and sting if entrance is disturbed > nests are scattered small mounds, often in grass > and moist earth > ant poison (Andro)is effective on these ants > > Argentine ants > non-stinging > tends aphids and feed on plant sap > present in California; don't know if it has been > found in Arizona > > Imported fire ant > present in California; don't know of any current > sightings in > Arizona > ----------- > Spotted spurge is an annual weed often found in > lawns. Treatment > with a preemergent should stop new plants. However, > do not use a > preemergent if you want to plant winter rye because > it will stop > germination of the rye seed as well as the spurge > seed. > > The herbicide 2,4-D will control many broadleaf > weeds with little > effect on the grass turf, if you decide you want to > use a chemical. > > The best weed control is a healthy, > vigourously-growing lawn. > If you can get the lawn vigorous it will choke out > weeds. > > I've also experienced those stinging ants suddenly > appearing > when I'm pulling weeds in the garden. I'm guessing > they are eating > insects in the garden and they have small mounds > under every > plant. > > Linda Drew > Master Gardener > > > > >From: Geoff Brady > >To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu > >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Spotted spurge > >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:39:16 -0700 > > > >HELP! > > > >I have been invaded! > > > >I have two really nasty problems right now. > > > >1) Fire Ants > >2) Spotted Spurge > > > >They are both taking over my yard, rocks and plant > areas. I applied diazon > >crystals to the front yard, and I use Andro > crystals when I can see a > >mound. > >I have kids (not to mention my garden) so I need to > be careful about > >pesticides and herbicides in the back yard. > > > >I try to pull the spurge out, but it keeps popping > up. What's the best way > >to handled these issues? The ants are coming into > the house and it's very > >annoying. > > > >Also, is there a correlation between the spurge and > the ants? Maybe its > >just me, but it seems like every time I pull up a > spurge weed, the ants > >come > >up to visit. > > > >Geoff Brady > >_______________________________________________ > >Arid_gardener mailing list > >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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They don't eat them in the wild. ^^^ It takes 4 hours to hard boil the 30 pound egg of an ostrich. ^^^ A flea can jump more than a foot.That compares to a man jumping over the Washington monument with room to spare. ^^^ I'm sure you know, giraffes are very susceptible to throat infections. ^^ The shell is 12 percent of the weight of the entire egg. ^^ Yes, an armadiilo can be housebroken. ^^^ In many species of birds, the eyes weigh more than the brain. ^^^ Of course, we all know lighting is the greatest cause of forest fires. ^^^ Parrots have a particularly keen sense of hearing. ^^^ Earthworms do not have eyes or ears. ^^^ A duck feather weighs about .016 to .063 grams. ^^^ Its true some insects can shiver. ^^^ A bee uses 22 muscles to sting you. ^^^ An ant has five noses. ^^^ Giraffes can't swim. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From jmacheffner@mindspring.com Thu Aug 1 17:37:04 2002 From: jmacheffner@mindspring.com (jmacheffner@mindspring.com) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:37:04 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Residential lawn Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020801103643.01c6ec28@ag.arizona.edu> My husband and I are purchasing a home this month. We will not have any landscaping in the backyard to start. Our plans include desert landscaping, a garden and a substantial grass area. I am interested in learning more about subterranean lawn irrigation and other alternatives to traditional sprinkler systems. We are also interested in grey-water irrigation. Can you recommend any resources which would be useful to us? Thanks for your help! From barristerusman11@mailsurf.com Fri Aug 2 04:35:38 2002 From: barristerusman11@mailsurf.com (BARRISTER USMAN Y USMAN[ESQ]) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:35:38 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] CAN YOU ASSIST> Message-ID: <200208012033.g71KXon08720@Ag.arizona.edu> FROM. USMAN.Y.USMAN. BARRISTER AND SOLICITOR NO 24 CANAL STREET IKOYI LAGOS NIGERIA . ATTENTION: SIR, BEFORE I START, I MUST FIRST APOLOGIZE FOR THIS UNSOLICITED MAIL TO YOU. I AM AWARE THAT THIS IS CERTAINLY AN UNCONVENTIONAL APPROACH TO STARTING A RELATIONSHIP, BUT AS TIME GOES ON YOU WILL REALIZE THE NEED FOR MY ACTION. MY NAME IS USMAN Y.USMAN, A SOLICITOR AND THE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO MR. JOHN RYERSON, A CITIZEN OF YOUR COUNTRY, WHO WORKED WITH AN OIL COMPANY IN NIGERIA. HERE-IN-AFTER REFERRED TO AS MY CLIENT. ON THE 21ST OF APRIL 1999, MY CLIENT, HIS WIFE AND THEIR THREE CHILDREN WERE INVOLVED IN A GHOSTLY MOTOR ACCIDENT ALONG SAGAMU EXPRESS ROAD. MY CLIENT AND HIS ENTIRE FAMILY UNFORTUNATELY LOST THEIR LIVES IN THE ACCIDENT. 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BEST REGARDS, USMAN .Y.USMAN [ESQ] From RkBetu@aol.com Thu Aug 1 22:24:48 2002 From: RkBetu@aol.com (RkBetu@aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:24:48 EDT Subject: [Arid_gardener] Spotted spurge Message-ID: <10.22b84ba8.2a7b0f30@aol.com> Not a master gardener here, but I've done war with ants! The kind you seem to be talking about are smallish, dark brownish black and bite like fire and all at once! They like to live under spurge, rocks, other plants. I had them horribly a few years ago, they even invaded my nightgown hanging in the bathroom and bit the H out me when I put it on (in the dark)! I too, hate to use "poisons", but even that didn't work. What did work was a mixture of boric acid, honey, and just a bit of warm water to allow it all to mix (about equal of borac acid and honey). I put the mix in cut-off aluminum cans and a few can lids, set it out under and around where I saw the ants (and where kids and pets weren't likely to see it). I hung some cans from the fence, covering the outside with masking tape so the little buggers could crawl up it easily. Ants eat it for the honey, go home and die. I won that war... Rocki in Wittmann From genie2547@aol.com Thu Aug 1 22:45:32 2002 From: genie2547@aol.com (genie2547@aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:45:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208012245.g71MjWn03427@Ag.arizona.edu> We have 6 very mature citrus trees planted in large wells bordered with concrete borders. Over the years the soil has eroded, making the ground level uneven, which causes the water to rush to one side and pour out between the border stones, leaving sections of the wells getting much less water during irrigation, as well as wasting water. We ordered a cubic yard of soil to spread on top to build up and even out the surface. (This was divided among the tree wells and amounts to a layer about 2" deep in places.) It turned out to be heavy clay that turns to mud when irrigated, stays gooey on top for days, and dries into hard, cracked clods. I tried breaking up the clods but the surface dried the same way after the next watering. I'm worried about the poor drainage. Will this prevent water from reaching the roots properly? Should I cut back on frequency of watering because it stays moist so long? Please advise. From Rod McKusick" You may be applying too much water by applying it too often. Trees planted two months ago should be watered every 5 or 6 days with enough water to penetrate below the bottom of the root ball. Check out these sites for info on irrigation: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html http://www.amwua.org/xscp-wateringschedules.htm Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: MReed@Dynamsys.com To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >I just had 2 months ago 2 ficus trees planted. The leaves turn brown and then yellow and then fall off. Could somebody tell me if these need more water? I water every other day for 1 hour. > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From w81269@msn.com Fri Aug 2 02:34:22 2002 From: w81269@msn.com (w81269@msn.com) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:34:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208020234.g722YMn00967@Ag.arizona.edu> why wont my palo verde seeds grow? they have been taken from the trees in my yard. they have been planted in one gallon containers with a water system. when the seed is removed they are still hard as a nut. From mikelmac@hotmail.com Fri Aug 2 04:08:34 2002 From: mikelmac@hotmail.com (mikelmac@hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:08:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208020408.g7248Yn12060@Ag.arizona.edu> I have desert bloom everywhere small to large (Small Tree Size). How do I get rid of it? Is there a successful strategy to keep it from coming back? Thank you, Mike MacFarlane From imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 2 04:36:41 2002 From: imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:36:41 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Dog/Lawn Problems Message-ID: <000f01c239de$41f20c20$6353530c@delljor9501> There are quite a number of CES Pubs. that address this problem. Try: http://www2.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/TM-11.pdf and http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/plantanswers/turf/dog_lawn_problems.html Both articles discuss repellants, exclusion and dietary modifications. But the bottom line is training. I know from experience with several breeds that dogs can be trained not to urinate in specific places such as lawns. Initially you need to catch them in the act and show them the permitted area. If there is no such area, the dog needs to be taken for a walk at least twice each day and at the same time each day. Training requires time, patience, perseverance and consistency. Olin >From nich6835@hotmail.com >I have a female dog and I have just moved into a new house I am renting >with my female dog. The landlord has made it clear that we need to do >something about the urine killing the grass in the yard. We are trying to >train her to go in the dirt, but every once in a while she will go in the grass >and we will not be watching her all the time to make sure she doesn't go >in the grass. I have heard of some home remidies like adding baking >soda or vinigar in the water. Is this safe and how much should you add >to cancel the Ph? >Natalie Nichols From janet.jacobsen@asu.edu Fri Aug 2 06:11:42 2002 From: janet.jacobsen@asu.edu (janet.jacobsen@asu.edu) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:11:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208020611.g726Bgn22439@Ag.arizona.edu> I've just chopped down two African sumac "bushes" and a desert broom and an old juniper. What is the best way to kill the stumps so these don't resprout? Thanks! From Geoffrey.Brady@apollogrp.edu Fri Aug 2 15:58:36 2002 From: Geoffrey.Brady@apollogrp.edu (Geoff Brady) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:58:36 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Spotted spurge; ants Message-ID: <670193290CCBD511BA6600B0D079B7FD476238@usvphxex1.apollogrp.edu> That's what I was thinking. Has there been any research done on the correlation between these two items? If not, maybe some grant money involved for some horticulture student. :) -----Original Message----- From: Judy Braden [mailto:popsy97@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:45 PM To: Linda Drew; Geoffrey.Brady@apollogrp.edu; arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Subject: Re: [Arid_gardener] Spotted spurge; ants I've often seen ant colonies that seem to be related to spurge. I wonder if they carry the seeds into their nests where they sprout. I've pulled spurge that brought ants pouring out. OUCH. --- Linda Drew wrote: > To be effective, you need to know what kind of ants > you have. > It sounds like you have southern fire ants and the > Andro should > control them. > > We have many different species of ants. These are > the ones > that are most likely to be in your yard: > > pavement ants > tiny (1/8 inch) brown ants often seen as long > lines > crossing pavement > general scavenging; eats fallen saguaro fruits > has no stinger but gives off a foul odor if > disturbed > nest inconspicuous > no control needed > > harvester ants > 3/8 inch long, black and shiny, quick-moving > feed on insects and seeds > bite and sting; cause extreme pain and > discomfort > nest is a flat cleared area with depressed > entrance; > may also have a small crescent of soil at one > side of entrance > grind up 3-4 oranges including peel and > immediately pour > the slurry down the entrance hole > > leafcutter ants > tiny to 3/8 inch long;dull reddish-brown > eat a special fungus they cultivate on harvested > leaves > often see long trails of leaf parts leading to > nest > can bite > nest is a very symmetrical mound of fresh soil > like a > volcano cinder cone that appears after summer > rains > grind up 3-4 oranges including peel and > immediately pour > the slurry down the entrance hole > > southern fire ant > 1/8 to 1/4 inch long; shiny; two-toned red and > black > insect eaters > bite and sting if entrance is disturbed > nests are scattered small mounds, often in grass > and moist earth > ant poison (Andro)is effective on these ants > > Argentine ants > non-stinging > tends aphids and feed on plant sap > present in California; don't know if it has been > found in Arizona > > Imported fire ant > present in California; don't know of any current sightings in > Arizona > ----------- > Spotted spurge is an annual weed often found in > lawns. Treatment > with a preemergent should stop new plants. However, > do not use a > preemergent if you want to plant winter rye because > it will stop > germination of the rye seed as well as the spurge > seed. > > The herbicide 2,4-D will control many broadleaf > weeds with little > effect on the grass turf, if you decide you want to > use a chemical. > > The best weed control is a healthy, > vigourously-growing lawn. > If you can get the lawn vigorous it will choke out > weeds. > > I've also experienced those stinging ants suddenly > appearing > when I'm pulling weeds in the garden. I'm guessing > they are eating > insects in the garden and they have small mounds > under every > plant. > > Linda Drew > Master Gardener > > > > >From: Geoff Brady > >To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu > >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Spotted spurge > >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:39:16 -0700 > > > >HELP! > > > >I have been invaded! > > > >I have two really nasty problems right now. > > > >1) Fire Ants > >2) Spotted Spurge > > > >They are both taking over my yard, rocks and plant > areas. I applied diazon > >crystals to the front yard, and I use Andro > crystals when I can see a > >mound. > >I have kids (not to mention my garden) so I need to > be careful about > >pesticides and herbicides in the back yard. > > > >I try to pull the spurge out, but it keeps popping > up. What's the best way > >to handled these issues? The ants are coming into > the house and it's very > >annoying. > > > >Also, is there a correlation between the spurge and > the ants? Maybe its > >just me, but it seems like every time I pull up a > spurge weed, the ants > >come > >up to visit. > > > >Geoff Brady > >_______________________________________________ > >Arid_gardener mailing list > >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Rod McKusick" Your citrus trees will really appreciate about a three inch layer of mulch covering the basin around the tree, as the mulch breaks down it will improve the soil that you just placed around the trees. The mulch will also cut down on water evaporation, keep the tree roots cooler and help prevent weeds from growing. Be sure not to raise the height of dirt and mulch at the trunk. An inner berm about a foot away from the trunk will be helpful. As for watering be sure to deep water to a depth of three feet each time you water on a weekly basis during summer. Good luck Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: genie2547@aol.com To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >We have 6 very mature citrus trees planted in large wells bordered with concrete borders. Over the years the soil has eroded, making the ground level uneven, which causes the water to rush to one side and pour out between the border stones, leaving sections of the wells getting much less water during irrigation, as well as wasting water. We ordered a cubic yard of soil to spread on top to build up and even out the surface. (This was divided among the tree wells and amounts to a layer about 2" deep in places.) It turned out to be heavy clay that turns to mud when irrigated, stays gooey on top for days, and dries into hard, cracked clods. I tried breaking up the clods but the surface dried the same way after the next watering. I'm worried about the poor drainage. Will this prevent water from reaching the roots properly? Should I cut back on frequency of watering because it stays moist so long? Please advise. > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From Rod McKusick" Most nurseries sell a chemical that is supposed to kill the stump. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: janet.jacobsen@asu.edu To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:12 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >I've just chopped down two African sumac "bushes" and a desert broom and an old juniper. What is the best way to kill the stumps so these don't resprout? > >Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From Rod McKusick" Filing through the hard shell of the seeds before they are planted will help them to sprout. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener ----Original Message----- From: w81269@msn.com To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >why wont my palo verde seeds grow? they have been taken from the trees in my yard. they have been planted in one gallon containers with a water system. when the seed is removed they are still hard as a nut. > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From Jalexdan@aol.com Sat Aug 3 17:36:20 2002 From: Jalexdan@aol.com (Jalexdan@aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:36:20 EDT Subject: [Arid_gardener] information request Message-ID: Looking for information on what type of vegtables can be grown around the Phoenix Az area. Times of year to plant . Really any information on this subject would be of a great help. In advance thanks for your help with and about this matter. Thanks Jack Anderson From jkasko@getnet.net Sat Aug 3 19:47:17 2002 From: jkasko@getnet.net (jkasko) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:47:17 -0700 Subject: Fw: [Arid_gardener] information request Message-ID: <001201c23b26$93997920$06da13d8@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jkasko" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 11:47 AM Subject: Fw: [Arid_gardener] information request > > > > Jack, > > > > Go to the Maricopa County Cooperative Extension website (link below) and > > scroll down to Vegetables. There's a great publication that you can > > download that will answer all your questions plus lots more! It's AZ1005 > > Vegetable Planting Calendar for Maricopa County. Any that cannot be > > downloaded can be purchased from the Cooperative Extension office for a > > minimal fee. Good Luck!! > > > > http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/pubs/pubs.htm > > > > joanne > > Master Gardener > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:36 AM > > Subject: [Arid_gardener] information request > > > > > > > Looking for information on what type of vegtables can be grown around > the > > > Phoenix Az area. Times of year to plant . Really any information on this > > > subject would be of a great help. > > > > > > In advance thanks for your help with and about this matter. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Jack Anderson > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Arid_gardener mailing list > > > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > > > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > > > > > > > > > From Rod McKusick" If you live in the Phoenix area, Horizon Irrigation who have several offices in the area, sells a product that may be what you are looking for. The black plastic pipe has internal emitters usually spaced at 24 inch intervals and is installed 3 to 4 inches underground. I installed the system several years ago in a playground so that the children would not have to play on wet grass unless it rained. The only negatives that I found was that the gophers ocassionally would chew through a line, and after fertilizing it was necessary to use a movable sprinkler to wash in the fertilizer. I would suggest contacting Horizon for up to date info. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: by way of Lucy Bradley To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:50 AM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Residential lawn > >My husband and I are purchasing a home this month. We will not have any >landscaping in the backyard to start. Our plans include desert landscaping, a >garden and a substantial grass area. > >I am interested in learning more about subterranean lawn irrigation and other >alternatives to traditional sprinkler systems. We are also interested in >grey-water irrigation. Can you recommend any resources which would be useful >to us? > >Thanks for your help! > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From sonora@pol.net Sat Aug 3 23:45:50 2002 From: sonora@pol.net (sonora@pol.net) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:45:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208032345.g73Njon06397@Ag.arizona.edu> I am trying to find out if using a deep root feeder is appropriate for our desert soils. I am getting very confusing information about this. Thanks, Patty sonora@pol.net From imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net Mon Aug 5 06:10:18 2002 From: imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:10:18 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: animal waste w/dewormers, etc. in compost References: <10c.13b2ec38.2a44551b@aol.com> Message-ID: <000601c23c46$c9f61480$f151530c@delljor9501> ----- Original Message ----- From: > way, way back in 1996, you posted a note on a BB asking if anyone had any > information on the effects of the various supplements, especially deworming > medication such as pyrantel tartrate, and/or if they survived > composting...I've been looking for an answer to exactly the same questions, > but either I'm a lousy web-surfer or the answer's just plain hard to find. > Did you ever get any clear response from any real experts? If you did, I'd > be grateful to hear what you found! If not, at least you know you weren't > alone in wondering! > Vanessa Wray Sorry to take so long to reply. You are probably referring to the post at http://csf.colorado.edu/archive/1997/compost/msg00309.html The short answer is: no, I never heard from any experts. At the time we had been having a vet deworm at 6 month intervals, and were also investigating Ivermectin and Strongid C which we could administer on our own. The latter, which contained the pyrantel tartrate, was being advertised as a systemic. The general opinion, but not a consensus, was that most backyard compost piles would not get hot enough to destroy the vermicides and that they could be passed in the manure and deposited in the garden, but that the residual vermicide would not be absorbed by plants. Most of the vermicides are pretty broad spectrum but whether they were specific to parasites in the animals' digestive systems or if they could also be detrimental to earthworms and beneficial nematodes was not addressed. Strongid C is administered continuously so there may always be traces of it in the manure. With the others, by waiting to use the manure until two weeks or so after deworming, it should be possible to keep it out of the compost and garden. There is a post on this topic from WSU's compost listserv archived at http://csf.colorado.edu/archive/1997/compost/msg04854.html The questions about steer or cow manure had to do with antibiotics, growth hormones, cell altering drugs and E-coli contamination which was in the news at the time. The E-coli bacterium showed up primarily in ground hamburger and was believed to be a result of contamination from animal feces at the packing plant. A paper by Van Bobbit, Horticulture Agent at Washington State Cooperative Extension (see http://gardening.wsu.edu/stewardship/compost/manure/manure2.htm ) recommends using only aged manure and washing root crops and leafy crops to eliminate any hazard from E-coli contamination. But a more recent "UniScience News Net" article at http://unisci.com/stories/20021/0129023.htm indicates it may also be taken up by the root systems of lettuce and has also been isolated in other fresh produce, including beans, alfalfa sprouts, cantaloupes, and apples. The recent outbreak on July 19 was from contaminated Romaine lettuce but none of the news articles mentioned whether it was in the plant tissues or external. Olin From watsontl@mindspring.com Mon Aug 5 12:46:04 2002 From: watsontl@mindspring.com (Tom & Linda Watson) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 05:46:04 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page References: <200208020234.g722YMn00967@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <000801c23c7e$118a0900$3940b83f@oemcomputer> You need to nick or scratch the hard seed coat before water can get into the seed and trigger germination. Coarse sandpaper works well and is easy to use. Once you have done this the seeds should come up quickly. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page > why wont my palo verde seeds grow? they have been taken from the trees in my yard. they have been planted in one gallon containers with a water system. when the seed is removed they are still hard as a nut. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From Geoffrey.Brady@apollogrp.edu Mon Aug 5 14:40:15 2002 From: Geoffrey.Brady@apollogrp.edu (Geoff Brady) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:40:15 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] When watermelons go bad...A Fox Special mini-series. Message-ID: <670193290CCBD511BA6600B0D079B7FD47625E@usvphxex1.apollogrp.edu> Ok...So I decided to take a chance and grow watermelons in my corner of the yard, sugar baby variety to be specific. Besides the fact of the watermelon basically taking over, everything was going well until I opened what I thought was going to be a great melon. The melon in question was a good size, about 10" in diameter, and had a nice yellow spot on the bottom. Yesterday, on that muggy August afternoon, I thought it would be nice to have some refreshing watermelon with my family. Well, I split this "baby" open with my big knife and it looked like a perfect specimen however, it kind of exploded on us. We started to smell something very odd. It smelled of bad beer (yeasty smell) and tasted horrible. I, spat out the pulp, encouraging more ants in my yard (see previous postings), and decided to open up some other smaller melons. These were not fermented and were quite pleasant to eat. We did have an enjoyable afternoon sitting in the light rain and eating about three 5" watermelons. So....my questions is 1) Why did the big melon go bad? 2) What is the best way to tell when melons are done? (I heard about doing an MRI on them but I don't think my health insurance covers that) 3) Any specific types I should be planting in the Phoenix area? Geoff Brady From bartley@fidnet.com Tue Aug 6 16:13:37 2002 From: bartley@fidnet.com (bartley@fidnet.com) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:13:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208061613.g76GDbn08318@Ag.arizona.edu> My brother just purchased a house in Tucsonand my husband and I are going to visit him this November. He needs help with his back "yard". It is nothing but blowing dust. His front yard is landscaped beautifully and he already has an irrigation system in place. I was wondering where I would start to improve his space. He wants nothing but rock and plantings along the edge of his fence. Would I use underground container plantings or amend the soil and add rock from there? I live in Missouri and have no experience with this type of planting. I have researched xeriscape plantings and plan to use only those plants with low or no watering needs. Thank you for your time. ltbartley From brscws@aol.com Tue Aug 6 19:28:51 2002 From: brscws@aol.com (brscws@aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:28:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208061928.g76JSpn20302@Ag.arizona.edu> Have two ficus trees, about three and a half years old. Cannot get a consistent answer on how much to water them. We live near Rural and Southern. We water lawn there for about 12 mins. every third day. Thank you for your help. Beti Schwartz From Rod McKusick" The following sites will give you the correct information on watering trees and turf in the low desert: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html http://www.amwua.org/xscp-wateringschedules.htm Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: brscws@aol.com To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:32 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Have two ficus trees, about three and a half years old. Cannot get a consistent answer on how much to water them. We live near Rural and Southern. We water lawn there for about 12 mins. every third day. Thank you for your help. Beti Schwartz > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From jdougs6348@msn.com Tue Aug 6 21:30:12 2002 From: jdougs6348@msn.com (jdougs6348@msn.com) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:30:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208062130.g76LUCn13491@Ag.arizona.edu> I have recently purchased and planted what looked like a healthy Sweet Basil (Ocimum basillicum) in a terra cotta planter on my patio. I've picked off about ten green inch worms that have been eating large holes in the leaves. It seems as though I've won that war (at least temporarily), but now I've noticed nearly microscopic dark colored critters the size of a pin point on all the leaves and on some small webs on the underside of many leaves. At first I thought they were droppings from the inch worms, but I can see them moving about on the leaf surfaces. Some of the smaller leaves have been dropping off the plant's main stalk right at the point of attachment and I'm wondering if these teeny critters are doing the damage. I intended to use the basil in cooking so I don't want to apply any toxic chemicals. Any suggestions for some organic remedies for both the inch worms and the little black critters, which I assume must be some kind of spider mite? From grw555@msn.com Wed Aug 7 02:01:15 2002 From: grw555@msn.com (grw555@msn.com) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:01:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208070201.g7721Fn19980@Ag.arizona.edu> Was given illegible copy of Fact Sheet MC 6. Tried to find on website without success. From cactusjackofaz@yahoo.com Wed Aug 7 03:26:40 2002 From: cactusjackofaz@yahoo.com (jack blake) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Did you know?? Barnyard trivia Message-ID: <20020807032640.18691.qmail@web14905.mail.yahoo.com> Cows have 4 stomachs and can hold up to 35 gallons. ^^^ A cow can give 100 quarts of milk a week. ^^^ A cow spends an average of 18 hours a day chewing. ^^^ Cows can be identified by nose prints. ^^^ On a day with a light wind a cow can smell things up to 6 miles away. ^^^ There are more chickens than people in the world. ^^^ The average American will eat 286 eggs per year. ^^^ The turkey is widely regarded as the dumbest domesticated animal. ^^^ An average American will eat 350 cows, 310 hogs,and 225 lambs in a lifetime. ^^^ At 10 days old, a chick embryo is about 1 1/2 inches long and its feathers are already starting to grow. ^^^ Chickens usually have 4 toes, but some breeds have5. ^^^ An egg is graded according to the quality of its shell,yolk and white. ^^^ A horse usually has 3 heartbeats for every 1 breath. ^^^ As a horse matures, the legs grow more slowly than the rest of the body. ^^^ Pigs are one of the creatures beside humans that can get sunburn. ^^^ Pigs can run a 7 1/2 minute mile. ^^^ Ducks can swim while sleeping. ^^^ The horse was first domesticated about 5000-6000 years ago near the Black and Caspian Seas. ^^^ Thats enough horsing around for now. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net Wed Aug 7 16:54:44 2002 From: imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:54:44 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Did you know?? Barnyard trivia References: <20020807032640.18691.qmail@web14905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c23e33$2ee99770$ab50530c@delljor9501> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jack blake" The source is questionable, e.g.: > Cows have 4 stomachs and can hold up to 35 gallons. > ^^^ Actually, it's one stomach with three stomach compartments. The fourth is call the "rumen" which is where the cow temporarily stores its cud for rumination at a later time and no digestion takes place. > A cow can give 100 quarts of milk a week. > ^^^ Must be a wimpy Jersey. Most Holsteins and many Guernsies will yield 3 - 4 gallons twice each day. >... etc. Olin. From t2thraen@aol.com Wed Aug 7 18:42:01 2002 From: t2thraen@aol.com (t2thraen@aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:42:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208071842.g77Ig1P25113@Ag.arizona.edu> my yellow zuchinni get lots of fruit but many of them when they are small and still have the remains of the flower on them get mushy on the flower end and sometimes brownish is this blossom end rot? From pgundy@Ag.arizona.edu Wed Aug 7 19:02:05 2002 From: pgundy@Ag.arizona.edu (pgundy@Ag.arizona.edu) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:02:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208071902.g77J25P29305@Ag.arizona.edu> Actually, this is about houseplants. I consistently have trouble with small black flying insects in my houseplants. I think they might be some kind of root maggots?? I have had this problem only in Tucson, and they have gotten into every houseplant I've ever had here. very discouraging. They live in the soil and around the bottom of the pot. When I water, they fly up and around. The plants don't die, they seem to tolerate these bugs, but never do really well. The worst problem is that these flies then buzz all through the house and fly around your head as you sit near these plants. I am trying to find a non-chemical way to control them . In the past I have used Diazinon, but I don't like to and it never worked anyway, they always come back. I've thought about BT, but I believe thats for leaf chewers, which thses aren't. I am ready to throw out my houseplants and forget it, but I love houseplants. Help!! From maryann999@msn.com Wed Aug 7 19:21:18 2002 From: maryann999@msn.com (maryann999@msn.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:21:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208071921.g77JLIP02555@Ag.arizona.edu> I have an orange tree and a grapefruit tree. how do I prune them? how often should I water them? From Sleepwboss@aol.com Wed Aug 7 19:34:13 2002 From: Sleepwboss@aol.com (Sleepwboss@aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:34:13 EDT Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question: why is Tomatillo not setting fruit? Message-ID: <83.1ec2a043.2a82d035@aol.com> Does anyone have experience with tomatillo? The plant is 2-1/2 foot high, healthy foliage, a prolific bloomer but no fruit. The plant has been in the ground since last spring. I have read that unlike tomatoes that won't set fruit above 80 degrees, the tomatillo loves heat. This one is in full sun until about 4:00 p.m. There are no problems with pollinators in the yard, as the peppers, tomatoes and eggplant next to the tomatillo set fruit just fine. Could it be that if this plant were a volunteer, that it is sterile from the seed planted last year? Appreciate your comments, Lee Ann From Markashields@gillaw.com Wed Aug 7 19:59:18 2002 From: Markashields@gillaw.com (Markashields@gillaw.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:59:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208071959.g77JxIP09561@Ag.arizona.edu> Does anybody know where I can buy sul-po-mag in the Mesa-Phoenix area? From ckjones@Ag.arizona.edu Wed Aug 7 21:18:29 2002 From: ckjones@Ag.arizona.edu (Chris Jones) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:18:29 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Arizona Highlands Garden Conference Oct 3 & 4, Flagstaff Message-ID: Early bird registration cut-off date is September 7th! Go to http://ag.arizona.edu/coconino/ag_nat_res/agindex.html to register now! The Arizona Highlands Garden Conference will be held in Flagstaff on October 3rd and 4th, at the Hart Prairie Lodge at the Arizona Snowbowl. Included with your $60 registration fee is a tote bag, a special gift, numerous informational items, lunch each day and snacks. Our sponsors will be setting up information booths and donating tempting raffle prizes. Anyone who struggles with finding the perfect cold, drought and pest/wildlife resistant perennial, tree and/or garden variety for our high, arid elevations from 3,000 to 7,000 feet is encouraged to attend. If time is an issue, participants may also choose to come for one day only. Space is limited, so call or visit the University of Arizona Coconino County Extension Office today for information and to register. The office is located at 2304 N. 3RD Street, Flagstaff, or it can be reached at (928) 774-1868. The conference is planned and presented by University of Arizona Cooperative Extension Master Gardeners from Coconino, Gila and Yavapai counties. Christopher Jones, Extension Agent Agriculture and Natural Resources Programs The University of Arizona Gila County Cooperative Extension 1177 Monroe Street Globe, AZ 85501 Ph: (928) 425-7179 FAX: (928) 425-0265 E-mail: ckjones@ag.arizona.edu From drew_linda@hotmail.com Wed Aug 7 23:16:48 2002 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 23:16:48 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] fungus gnats Message-ID: See are web page on management strategies for fungus gnats DESCRIPTION: Fungus gnats are small gray flies that periodically emerge from potted plants. DAMAGE: The gnats may be a nuisance when flying to windows, but do no harm to humans. Most kinds feed on organic matter in the soil. MANAGEMENT: To reduce their numbers, re-pot the plant into soil less rich in organic matter, let the plant dry out sufficiently between waterings and set plants outdoors when adult gnats are emerging. Vacuum up any adult gnats attracted to lights or windows. You can also drench the soil with a soap solution (1-2 teaspoons of dishwashing soap in a gallon of water poured into the soil). You will probably have to repeat this every few weeks until all gnats are gone. Linda Drew Master Gardener >From: pgundy@Ag.arizona.edu >To: >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:02:05 -0700 (MST) > >Actually, this is about houseplants. I consistently have trouble with small >black flying insects in my houseplants. I think they might be some kind of >root maggots?? I have had this problem only in Tucson, and they have gotten >into every houseplant I've ever had here. very discouraging. They live in >the soil and around the bottom of the pot. When I water, they fly up and >around. The plants don't die, they seem to tolerate these bugs, but never >do really well. The worst problem is that these flies then buzz all through >the house and fly around your head as you sit near these plants. I am >trying to find a non-chemical way to control them . In the past I have used >Diazinon, but I don't like to and it never worked anyway, they always come >back. I've thought about BT, but I believe thats for leaf chewers, which >thses aren't. I am ready to throw out my houseplants and forget it, but I >love houseplants. Help!! > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From drew_linda@hotmail.com Wed Aug 7 23:23:49 2002 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 23:23:49 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] basil pests Message-ID: Sounds like you may have spider mites. Control spider mites by spraying plants thoroughly with water (especially the undersides of the leaves) 2-3 times a day for several days. For severe infestations, spray with a soap solution and repeat in 7 days. (1-2 teaspoons of mild soap in a gallon of water). The inch worms can be controlled by handpicking or using the biological control BT (harmless on food crops). Linda Drew Master Gardener >From: jdougs6348@msn.com >To: >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:30:12 -0700 (MST) > >I have recently purchased and planted what looked like a healthy Sweet >Basil (Ocimum basillicum) in a terra cotta planter on my patio. I've picked >off about ten green inch worms that have been eating large holes in the >leaves. It seems as though I've won that war (at least temporarily), but >now I've noticed nearly microscopic dark colored critters the size of a pin >point on all the leaves and on some small webs on the underside of many >leaves. At first I thought they were droppings from the inch worms, but I >can see them moving about on the leaf surfaces. Some of the smaller leaves >have been dropping off the plant's main stalk right at the point of >attachment and I'm wondering if these teeny critters are doing the damage. >I intended to use the basil in cooking so I don't want to apply any toxic >chemicals. Any suggestions for some organic remedies for both the inch >worms and the little black critters, which I assume must be some kind of >spider mite? > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From cactusjackofaz@yahoo.com Wed Aug 7 23:56:38 2002 From: cactusjackofaz@yahoo.com (jack blake) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Did you know?? Barnyard trivia In-Reply-To: <000e01c23e33$2ee99770$ab50530c@delljor9501> Message-ID: <20020807235638.88981.qmail@web14906.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the feedback. I didn't think anyone read that stuff. You could be right, I wrote it the way I read it. --- olin wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "jack blake" > > > The source is questionable, e.g.: > > > Cows have 4 stomachs and can hold up to 35 > gallons. > > ^^^ > Actually, it's one stomach with three stomach > compartments. The fourth is > call the "rumen" which is where the cow temporarily > stores its cud for > rumination at a later time and no digestion takes > place. > > > A cow can give 100 quarts of milk a week. > > ^^^ > Must be a wimpy Jersey. Most Holsteins and many > Guernsies will yield 3 - 4 > gallons twice each day. > >... > > etc. > > Olin. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Rod McKusick" Citrus trees should not be pruned except to remove dead or crossing branches or to remove a stray branch. The trunks and branches of citrus are quite sun sensative and will sunburn if exposed to the sun. Check out this site which has info on watering citruus: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/crops/az1151.pdf Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: maryann999@msn.com To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >I have an orange tree and a grapefruit tree. >how do I prune them? how often should I water them? > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From TBej2632@aol.com Thu Aug 8 03:50:46 2002 From: TBej2632@aol.com (TBej2632@aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:50:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208080350.g783okP21177@Ag.arizona.edu> I have a Morning Glory Vine that I bought back in March at Yuma Nursery Supply. It was doing really well until 2 weeks ago. I'm getting some dry leaves on it.It gets morning sun and afternoon shade. Is it a perennial or an annual? Do I cut it back or leave it alone. When and how is the best time to prune it? I also have a Mandevilla Vine that I bought at the same time. The Mandevilla is in the shade. This was also doing real well but is drying out on me, same questions as morning glory. I hope you can help me out. Thank you very much, Terrie Thank You, Terrie From TBej2632@aol.com Thu Aug 8 03:52:59 2002 From: TBej2632@aol.com (TBej2632@aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:52:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208080352.g783qxP21304@Ag.arizona.edu> I have a Morning Glory Vine that I bought back in March at Yuma Nursery Supply. It was doing really well until 2 weeks ago. I'm getting some dry leaves on it.It gets morning sun and afternoon shade. Is it a perennial or an annual? Do I cut it back or leave it alone. When and how is the best time to prune it? I also have a Mandevilla Vine that I bought at the same time. The Mandevilla is in the shade. This was also doing real well but is drying out on me, same questions as morning glory. I hope you can help me out. Thank you very much, Terrie From AnnedeLeon1@cs.com Thu Aug 8 15:12:28 2002 From: AnnedeLeon1@cs.com (AnnedeLeon1@cs.com) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:12:28 EDT Subject: [Arid_gardener] Shallots Message-ID: <22.2ce01c96.2a83e45c@cs.com> Can we grow shallots in Phoenix? If so, when do we plant. Anne From mel@nalweb.com Thu Aug 8 18:33:21 2002 From: mel@nalweb.com (mel@nalweb.com) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:33:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208081833.g78IXLP03468@Ag.arizona.edu> When is the best time to trim a huge hibiscus? From umiller@azdps.com Thu Aug 8 18:32:32 2002 From: umiller@azdps.com (Ursula Miller) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:32:32 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page In-Reply-To: <200208081833.g78IXLP03468@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: Definitely not now if you live in the desert. These plants don't like getting chopped during our heat. Wait until the weather cools off. I usually trim mine in early spring. Ursula Miller Not a Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu [mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of mel@nalweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:33 AM To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page When is the best time to trim a huge hibiscus? _______________________________________________ Arid_gardener mailing list Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From dh55245@mindspring.com Thu Aug 8 23:10:06 2002 From: dh55245@mindspring.com (dh55245@mindspring.com) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:10:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208082310.g78NA5P26223@Ag.arizona.edu> I had no idea I was buying a plant that love water and a boggy area. How can I care for a cyperus papyrus (egytptain paper plant )in the Phoenix area. Should I buy a half barrel water container and grow it in that? Or leave it in a pot an put it in a dish of water at all times? From chenrikson@qwest.net Fri Aug 9 01:55:47 2002 From: chenrikson@qwest.net (chenrikson@qwest.net) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:55:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208090155.g791tlP16893@Ag.arizona.edu> A friend told me that Meyer Lemon trees are not available/allowed in Maricopa County. Any truth to this? If not, when's the best time to plant citus? Thanks, Marcene From drew_linda@hotmail.com Fri Aug 9 05:07:14 2002 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 05:07:14 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: [Arid_gardener]citrus tristeza virus Message-ID: Yes, I believe Meyer Lemon is illegal in Arizona because it is a host to the citrus tristeza virus (CTV). There are currently two strains of the virus found in Arizona, primarily from Meyer lemon trees. ?The severe strain can kill trees on sour orange rootstock within one to two years,? and could severely damage the Arizona citrus industry. http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/general/resrpt1996/stopping_killer.html Here is an excerpt from the article: Stopping a Killer Before It Starts Tracking the Tristeza Virus At first sight, it looks like a small tick. Yet this dark-colored aphid has the potential to cause considerable damage to, if not wipe out, the entire citrus industry in Arizona. The brown citrus aphid (BCA) is a vector of the citrus tristeza virus (CTV), which, depending on its strain, can kill a citrus tree in one to two years. (?Tristeza? is a Spanish word meaning sadness.) Millions of citrus trees have died in Brazil, Spain and Argentina, resulting from the BCA invasion, since the 1930s. Its ability to efficiently transmit CTV from one tree to another makes the aphid?s potential to destroy the Arizona citrus industry very real, according to Zhongguo Xiong, an assistant professor in the Department of Plant Pathology. He is working with other University of Arizona College of Agriculture faculty and personnel from the Arizona Department of Agriculture, hurriedly testing thousands of citrus trees to detect the amount and strains of the tristeza virus that may already be here. In particular, Xiong is studying the effectiveness of several tests to detect the incidence of CTV in Arizona?s citrus. ---------- The best time to plant citrus is March. There are many excellent varieties of citrus well-suited to our climate. Linda Drew Master Gardener >From: chenrikson@qwest.net >To: >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:55:47 -0700 (MST) > >A friend told me that Meyer Lemon trees are not available/allowed in >Maricopa County. Any truth to this? If not, when's the best time to plant >citus? Thanks, Marcene > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From worthr@msn.com Fri Aug 9 18:12:58 2002 From: worthr@msn.com (worthr@msn.com) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:12:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208091812.g79ICwP00056@Ag.arizona.edu> I have a seven year old Brazilian Pepper tree and live in Tempe. I water it every 10 days in the summer with both slow trickle for 5 hours and a deep rooting water device around the perimeter of the tree for about an hour. For the last two summers, whole branches/leaves have died overnight, mainly on the side facing west. Some nurserys say I water too much and others too little. I fertilized the tree using the deep watering device but it has not helped. Others say to spray water on the leaves at dusk/dawn? It did not help. Eight brances/leaves have died and I cut them off. They also seem to have split, sometimes all the way through and dark spots appear on the branches/limbs. Any ideas on how to stop the problem Could it be a disease? Bob Worth From cchare@qwest.net Fri Aug 9 19:12:53 2002 From: cchare@qwest.net (cchare@qwest.net) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:12:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208091912.g79JCrP10077@Ag.arizona.edu> Do roses die of old age? I assume the answer is yes, but if so, roughly how old do they live? I have one about twenty years old that looks pretty pooped out. Thanks. From popsy97@yahoo.com Fri Aug 9 19:14:14 2002 From: popsy97@yahoo.com (Judy Braden) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page In-Reply-To: <200208082310.g78NA5P26223@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <20020809191414.81436.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com> I've grown cyperus in regular soil. Just keep it dampish and it will do fine. --- dh55245@mindspring.com wrote: > I had no idea I was buying a plant that love water > and a boggy area. How can I care for a cyperus > papyrus (egytptain paper plant )in the Phoenix area. > Should I buy a half barrel water container and grow > it in that? Or leave it in a pot an put it in a dish > of water at all times? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From michele5000@crayonmail.com Fri Aug 9 21:30:34 2002 From: michele5000@crayonmail.com (Michele Robertson) Date: 9 Aug 2002 21:30:34 -0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] How to extract Mesquite Seed Message-ID: <20020809213034.4280.qmail@confucius.synacor.com> Miss Shelli from Joshua Tree . I have tried a hammer ! How do you get those seeds out of the pods Thanks :) From Rod McKusick" The life expectancy of a rose depends on the species. The Old Garden Roses those, brought out prior to 1867 appear to have the longest life expectancy, some that are several hundred years old. Wild roses have been found that were not receiving any care at all and of course the age is unknown. An example of an old rose here in Arizona is the Tombstone Rose which is over 100 years old. Modern roses such as the hybrid tea and the floribunda do not have that kind of life expectancy. I care for a rose garden with approximately 150 roses which are mostly hybrid teas and floribundas. I find that 7 to 8 years is about the life expectancy of these roses here in the low desert of Arizona. It seems to take about that amount of time for the roses to use up the humus incorporated in the soil when they were planted and then they start to decline. Your 20 year old rose if a hybrid tea or floribunda is no doubt living on borrowed time. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Consulting Rosarian -----Original Message----- From: cchare@qwest.net To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Do roses die of old age? I assume the answer is yes, but if so, roughly how old do they live? I have one about twenty years old that looks pretty pooped out. Thanks. > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From Rod McKusick" I suspect that your pepper tree may not be getting enough water. The interval is ok but the amount is suspect. Each time you water the water should penetrate to a depth of three feet at the dripline of the tree, you can determine this by inserting a steel bar into the ground after you water, it will go easily to the depth the water has penetrated. Now as for disease, the Brazilian Pepper is very susceptable to Texas Root Rot and to Verticillium Wilt. Unfortunately there is not a cure for either disease, however you can verify if your tree does have one of these diseases by taking a root sample and a branch sample ( 1/2 inch by 8 to 10 inches long, do not wash, place in a plastic bag and keep refrigerated ) to Maricopa County Cooperative Extension, 4341 E. Broadway, Phoenix 85040. There is no charge. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: worthr@msn.com To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:14 AM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >I have a seven year old Brazilian Pepper tree and live in Tempe. I water it every 10 days in the summer with both slow trickle for 5 hours and a deep rooting water device around the perimeter of the tree for about an hour. For the last two summers, whole branches/leaves have died overnight, mainly on the side facing west. Some nurserys say I water too much and others too little. I fertilized the tree using the deep watering device but it has not helped. Others say to spray water on the leaves at dusk/dawn? It did not help. Eight brances/leaves have died and I cut them off. They also seem to have split, sometimes all the way through and dark spots appear on the branches/limbs. >Any ideas on how to stop the problem Could it be a disease? > >Bob Worth > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From crymer@Ag.arizona.edu Fri Aug 9 22:58:02 2002 From: crymer@Ag.arizona.edu (Cathy Rymer) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:58:02 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page In-Reply-To: <200208070201.g7721Fn19980@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20020809151313.00964f00@ag.arizona.edu> The University of Arizona publication MC 6 is not available on line yet. I would be happy to fax you a copy if you can send me (not the list) your fax #. Or you can stop by our main office or any satellite office to pick up a copy. http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/mgs/satelite.htm I hope this helps. Cathy At 07:01 PM 08/06/2002 -0700, grw555@msn.com wrote: >Was given illegible copy of Fact Sheet MC 6. Tried to find on website >without success. > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener Catherine Rymer Instructional Specialist, Sr., Urban Horticulture University of Arizona Maricopa County Cooperative Extension 4341 E. Broadway Phoenix, AZ 85040 http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/maricopa/garden/ From blair18040@msn.com Fri Aug 9 23:05:08 2002 From: blair18040@msn.com (blair18040@msn.com) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:05:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208092305.g79N58P18534@Ag.arizona.edu> We suspect we have alot of sodium in our water. I think our plants and lawn grasses suffer from this. Is there anything I can combat this with? By spreading or other. How can I get a water analysis done (with plants as the focus) Is this common for the Queen Creek area. Southern Maricopa From cactusjackofaz@yahoo.com Fri Aug 9 23:33:43 2002 From: cactusjackofaz@yahoo.com (jack blake) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Arid_gardener] salts in water In-Reply-To: <200208092305.g79N58P18534@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <20020809233343.95523.qmail@web14903.mail.yahoo.com> You suspect correctlly. Our water and soil have salts in it to burn plants. You must water very deep to leach the bad salts below the root zone of your plants. The salts are water soluble and will leach with deep watering. --- blair18040@msn.com wrote: > We suspect we have alot of sodium in our water. I > think our plants and lawn grasses suffer from this. > Is there anything I can combat this with? By > spreading or other. How can I get a water analysis > done (with plants as the focus) Is this common for > the Queen Creek area. Southern Maricopa > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From gdtym@msn.com Sat Aug 10 03:13:57 2002 From: gdtym@msn.com (gdtym@msn.com) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:13:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208100313.g7A3DvP12924@Ag.arizona.edu> Have two questions: 1. We put in a 15 gal. Tipuana tipu tree from Moon Valley Nursery last October. Most of the leaf growth is on one side...what do we need to do to get it to begin leafing all the way around. I have been feeding it every month since march with a 16-8-4 tree fertilizer. The leaves are a rich nice green and it bloomed this past spring and other than the lop-sided growth, the tree looks healthy and happy. It is planted by the east wall of the yard. 2. How long can it take an ocotillo to produce leaves. Ours has been planted since April 2001 and canes are healthy. I was told to give it about a 1/2 gal. of water once a week during the dry summer months and not to fertilize. It faces north but has full sun all day. From illyana44@hotmail.com Sat Aug 10 03:50:57 2002 From: illyana44@hotmail.com (illyana44@hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:50:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208100350.g7A3ovP15173@Ag.arizona.edu> hi im a student and all i wanted to know, some are some clues to what you do in experiments. From lazcow@yahoo.com Sat Aug 10 04:08:56 2002 From: lazcow@yahoo.com (lori zimmerman) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Arid_gardener] (no subject) Message-ID: <20020810040856.30726.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> I was wondering if anyone knows anything about giant hornets. I am an Arizona native and have never seen this insect before this year. I have a dirt mound about 16ft. long and 2 to 3ft. high that I planted flowers and cantaloupe on. It appears that giant hornets have started a nest in this mound. There are piles of dirt on both sides of the hill where they have entrance holes. I found a picture of this insect in one of my insect books. According to this book these insects don't live in this area. Who should I contact about this? And how much of a problem could this be? So far I have seen about 3 of these bugs flying around and they don't seem to be aggressive. Before I realized they were burrowing into my hill I weeded under my cantaloupe and have been watering and they don't seem to get mad. Still I had someone tell me they might become more aggressive when their home is more established. So what do you think? Does anyone have any experience with these creatures? Thanks for your help. Lori __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From drew_linda@hotmail.com Sat Aug 10 18:12:23 2002 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:12:23 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] giant cicada killer Message-ID: You may be describing a "giant cicada killer". " Although female Cicada Killer Wasps rarely sting unless disturbed, homeowners may become alarmed or frightened because of their very large size (nearly two inches) and foraging habits in unwanted areas. These solitary wasps may become a nuisance when they dig holes in lawns, sand base volleyball courts, flower beds, gardens, and golf course sand traps, kicking out a six to eight inch diameter horseshoe-shaped pile of dirt (mound) around the nest entrance. Males have especially aggressive territorial behavior, but have no sting. Females are difficult to provoke, can sting, but rarely do. The female wasps are not aggressive and control is rarely needed except in unwanted places. Adults appear in mid to late summer (July and August) causing special concern to individuals with young children." http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2078A.html (We have two different, but related, species in the Southwest.) picture: http://stephenville.tamu.edu/~fmitchel/insects/t_1111.htm more information: http://www.ccenassau.org/hort/fact_sheets/e106_cicadas_jan02.pdf Linda Drew Master Gardener >From: lori zimmerman >To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu >Subject: [Arid_gardener] (no subject) >Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:08:56 -0700 (PDT) > >I was wondering if anyone knows anything about giant >hornets. I am an Arizona native and have never seen >this insect before this year. I have a dirt mound >about 16ft. long and 2 to 3ft. high that I planted >flowers and cantaloupe on. It appears that giant >hornets have started a nest in this mound. There are >piles of dirt on both sides of the hill where they >have entrance holes. I found a picture of this insect >in one of my insect books. According to this book >these insects don't live in this area. Who should I >contact about this? And how much of a problem could >this be? So far I have seen about 3 of these bugs >flying around and they don't seem to be aggressive. >Before I realized they were burrowing into my hill I >weeded under my cantaloupe and have been watering and >they don't seem to get mad. Still I had someone tell >me they might become more aggressive when their home >is more established. So what do you think? Does >anyone have any experience with these creatures? >Thanks for your help. Lori > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener Y _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From watsontl@mindspring.com Sat Aug 10 19:24:06 2002 From: watsontl@mindspring.com (Tom & Linda Watson) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:24:06 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page References: <200208071842.g77Ig1P25113@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <004b01c240a3$7f1ab9a0$a509b83f@oemcomputer> The two most common problems that prevent fruit set are a lack of pollination and shortages of mineral nutrients such as sulfur in the soil. To protect my zucchini from squash vine borers I keep them covered by row covers, and so much pollinate them by hand. Since starting this I've rarely seen fruit do what you describe. If you apply soil sulfur when you prepare the garden bed, deficiency of this nutrient is not likely to be the problem. I know spraying tomato plants with magnesium sulfate (Epsom Salts) at 1 teaspoon per gallon of water is supposed to help tomatoes set fruit, and it seems widely recommended elsewhere for vegetables in general. Might be worth a try if nothing else works. (If it's been extremely hot where you are, the pollen may also be dead, and there's no cure for that beyond waiting until it cools down a bit.) Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page > my yellow zuchinni get lots of fruit but many of them when they are small and still have the remains of the flower on them get mushy on the flower end and sometimes brownish is this blossom end rot? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From watsontl@mindspring.com Sat Aug 10 19:58:57 2002 From: watsontl@mindspring.com (Tom & Linda Watson) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:58:57 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question: why is Tomatillo not setting fruit? References: <83.1ec2a043.2a82d035@aol.com> Message-ID: <000601c240a8$5e00f680$1051b83f@oemcomputer> When I gardened in Phoenix I grew tomatillos and while I found they set fruit at higher temperatures than tomatoes and peppers, there was still a limit to what they could handle. You may see fruit set increase later in the season, as the nights cool down. Since the tomatillos are growing with close relatives that all managed to set fruit it seems unlikely you are facing a shortage of some nutrient, such as sulfur. I did find that the tomatillos took longer to mature than tomatoes. Did they start flowering when the other plants go going, or later? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question: why is Tomatillo not setting fruit? > Does anyone have experience with tomatillo? The plant is 2-1/2 foot high, > healthy foliage, a prolific bloomer but no fruit. The plant has been in the > ground since last spring. I have read that unlike tomatoes that won't set > fruit above 80 degrees, the tomatillo loves heat. This one is in full sun > until about 4:00 p.m. There are no problems with pollinators in the yard, as > the peppers, tomatoes and eggplant next to the tomatillo set fruit just fine. > > Could it be that if this plant were a volunteer, that it is sterile from the > seed planted last year? > Appreciate your comments, > Lee Ann > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From watsontl@mindspring.com Sat Aug 10 20:05:08 2002 From: watsontl@mindspring.com (Tom & Linda Watson) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:05:08 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page References: <200208100313.g7A3DvP12924@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <001501c240a9$3b3e8940$1051b83f@oemcomputer> Regarding #1: Is the lopsidedness the result of the plant not growing on the east side (the side facing the wall? And #2: Half a gallon a week? That ocotillo has no idea that you are watering it at all! If you want to see it with leaves, give it a good, deep watering. You will be amazed by how quickly the plant responds with leaves. (I've never fertilized an ocotillo. They do fine without it.) Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:13 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page > Have two questions: > 1. We put in a 15 gal. Tipuana tipu tree from Moon Valley Nursery last October. Most of the leaf growth is on one side...what do we need to do to get it to begin leafing all the way around. I have been feeding it every month since march with a 16-8-4 tree fertilizer. The leaves are a rich nice green and it bloomed this past spring and other than the lop-sided growth, the tree looks healthy and happy. It is planted by the east wall of the yard. > > 2. How long can it take an ocotillo to produce leaves. Ours has been planted since April 2001 and canes are healthy. I was told to give it about a 1/2 gal. of water once a week during the dry summer months and not to fertilize. It faces north but has full sun all day. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From john@weathermastersinc.com Sat Aug 10 20:52:12 2002 From: john@weathermastersinc.com (john@weathermastersinc.com) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:52:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208102052.g7AKqBP28358@Ag.arizona.edu> I have left a vmail message @ ext 301, however I am inpatient, so I might be redundant. I am planting sweet corn. I know the row distance and thinning rate. My question: How high should the row/berm be and and the width of the berm? Thank you, john From drew_linda@hotmail.com Sat Aug 10 21:52:11 2002 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:52:11 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] landscape ideas Message-ID: To start, you might want to visit: http://ag.arizona.edu/gardening/beginner-new.html It sounds like your brother would like a low maintenance yard with some screening from neighbors. You might want to start by extending the landscaping ideas from the front yard into the back, choosing the same or similar plants. Some shade is a good idea, either from a patio tree or a ramada (shade structure) of some kind. If you can get access to Sunset Magazine (Southwest Edition). The magazine has lots of ideas and lots of pictures. Online, go to: www.sunset.com and click on "Garden" for some ideas. If you want to send your mailing address to me (drew_linda@hotmail.com) I can send you some information through the mail. Linda Drew Master Gardener >From: bartley@fidnet.com >To: >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:13:37 -0700 (MST) > >My brother just purchased a house in Tucsonand my husband and I are going >to visit him this November. He needs help with his back "yard". It is >nothing but blowing dust. His front yard is landscaped beautifully and he >already has an irrigation system in place. I was wondering where I would >start to improve his space. He wants nothing but rock and plantings along >the edge of his fence. Would I use underground container plantings or >amend the soil and add rock from there? I live in Missouri and have no >experience with this type of planting. I have researched xeriscape >plantings and plan to use only those plants with low or no watering needs. >Thank you for your time. >ltbartley > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Krulich@aol.com Sun Aug 11 16:16:23 2002 From: Krulich@aol.com (Krulich@aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:16:23 EDT Subject: [Arid_gardener] Need help - watermelons infested with aphids! Message-ID: I just noticed today that about one third of my watermelon patch is severely infested with aphids. They cover the underside of the leaves and are causing them to curl up. I sprayed soapy water on as many as I could but there are just so many of them. Any suggestions on what to do to control them? Thanks, Tom From drew_linda@hotmail.com Sun Aug 11 17:36:54 2002 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:36:54 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Need help - watermelons infested with aphids! Message-ID: If soap sprays have not worked, use an commercial insecticidal soap; apply every 2 or 3 days until aphids are gone. Always check labels to be sure the product is safe for food crops; follow label directions for mixing and application. Linda Drew Master Gardener >From: Krulich@aol.com >To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Need help - watermelons infested with aphids! >Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:16:23 EDT > >I just noticed today that about one third of my watermelon patch is >severely >infested with aphids. They cover the underside of the leaves and are >causing >them to curl up. I sprayed soapy water on as many as I could but there are >just so many of them. Any suggestions on what to do to control them? > >Thanks, >Tom >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Rod McKusick" The Tipu tree is frost tender and if you live in one of the colder areas of the valley, it is possible that the tree could become frosted on one side, the side away from the block wall. If this happened it could account for the lack of leaves on one side. The other possibility is that you over fertilized and caused root burn on one side of the tree. Fertilizing once a year is quite adequate and especially with newly planted trees. The second question has been answered. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist -----Original Message----- From: gdtym@msn.com To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:14 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Have two questions: >1. We put in a 15 gal. Tipuana tipu tree from Moon Valley Nursery last October. Most of the leaf growth is on one side...what do we need to do to get it to begin leafing all the way around. I have been feeding it every month since march with a 16-8-4 tree fertilizer. The leaves are a rich nice green and it bloomed this past spring and other than the lop-sided growth, the tree looks healthy and happy. It is planted by the east wall of the yard. > >2. How long can it take an ocotillo to produce leaves. Ours has been planted since April 2001 and canes are healthy. I was told to give it about a 1/2 gal. of water once a week during the dry summer months and not to fertilize. It faces north but has full sun all day. > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From kjoch@cachethomes.net Mon Aug 12 22:02:12 2002 From: kjoch@cachethomes.net (kjoch@cachethomes.net) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:02:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208122202.g7CM2CP20228@Ag.arizona.edu> We have 3 spec homes on the market and maintaining the landscaping is getting costly. Our water bills are over $600. How can we tell if our landscaper is over watering our yards? Keep in mind that the homes are $3mil. Is there someone who can come and evaluate our grass quality? Sounds silly, but my owner is asking. Thank you for your assistance. From BandBHall@aol.com Mon Aug 12 23:28:58 2002 From: BandBHall@aol.com (BandBHall@aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:28:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208122328.g7CNSwP06786@Ag.arizona.edu> We have had a boxwood hedge--we keep it about 30inches tall--around our pool fence. It is about 10years old. The last two summers we have lost about 6 our of 20some plants. They simply turn white quickly and die. We replaced some with new plants last year and now two of those have died, one just this week. They just wilt and die very quickly. The soil is damp or wet. What do you think is causing this? We have added disperal, soil sulphur and miracle grow over the last two years in an effort to help them along. Thanks. From drew_linda@hotmail.com Tue Aug 13 01:00:17 2002 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:00:17 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] boxwood dying Message-ID: My first guess would be decay fungi (collar, foot and crown rots) such as phytophthora or pythium. Do you notice any streaking or staining on the trunk or a canker, often near the soil? If you see streaking on the trunk and cut away the outer bark, you should see healthy whitish or yellowish wood and brownish or reddish wood that looks like it has been soaked with water if it is phytophthora. Collect a soil sample and a portion of infected wood for testing. (fill a quart or gallon ziplock bag with moist soil and a portion of roots from an ailing plant; keep cool and deliver to your nearrest extension office. Take a portion of wood that shows the reddish staining, put it in a ziplock bag and keep cool until you can deliver it to the extension office). My second guess would be scale. Do you notice any grayish or brownish encrustations on the bark? Again, if we could see an example of this it would help us to identify. Linda Drew Master Gardener (Tucson - 4210 N. Campbell Avenue; 626-5161) >From: BandBHall@aol.com >To: >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:28:58 -0700 (MST) > >We have had a boxwood hedge--we keep it about 30inches tall--around our >pool fence. >It is about 10years old. The last two summers we have lost about 6 our of >20some plants. They simply turn white quickly and die. We replaced some >with new plants last year and now two of those have died, one just this >week. They just wilt and die very quickly. The soil is damp or wet. What do >you think is causing this? We have added disperal, soil sulphur and >miracle grow over the last two years in an effort to help them along. > >Thanks. > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From flyhorse@cox.net Tue Aug 13 03:14:46 2002 From: flyhorse@cox.net (flyhorse@cox.net) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:14:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208130314.g7D3EjP03490@Ag.arizona.edu> I have a flower bed approx 2 ft by 6 ft in front of my family room. It is a western exposure, but Chillian (don't think that chillain is spelled correctly) Mesquites give it shade with some sun lite coming through. I am having a wedding in the back yard and need to know what I can plant for pretty color. the wedding is at the end of October. Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated. From imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 13 03:33:29 2002 From: imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:33:29 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Height of Berm for Sweetcorn Patch References: <200208102052.g7AKqBP28358@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <000b01c2427a$339e2240$bc50530c@delljor9501> ----- Original Message -----From: >... > I am planting sweet corn. I know the row distance and thinning rate. My question: How high should the row/berm be and and the width of the berm? I don't believe there is a numerical answer to your question. There are too many variables and a there is a real question as to whether you really need to construct a berm. It depends on how you will irrigate (overhead sprinkler, drip tape, soaker hose, flood irrigation) and much water you need to apply which, in turn, depends on the condition of your soil, i.e., the water-holding capacity of the soil. And this depends on the type of soil (clay or sand) and organic material in the soil. You would normally only need a berm to prevent runoff for flood irrigation. During hot, dry weather (as from our perspective in the Southwestern desert), you will normally need to apply about two inches of irrigation each week, usually divided in 2-3 applications per week. So the berm needs to be high enough to prevent runoff and wide enough to support the necessary height. If you feel you reall;y need to construct a berm, start with about 4 inches height and adjust height as needed. Olin From cactusjackofaz@yahoo.com Tue Aug 13 04:14:15 2002 From: cactusjackofaz@yahoo.com (jack blake) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question flowers for wdding In-Reply-To: <200208130314.g7D3EjP03490@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <20020813041415.61749.qmail@web14905.mail.yahoo.com> Usually by the end of Sept. the nurseries start getting the winter color. This includes all the favorites, petunias, pansies, poppies,geraniums, etc. This should give you a large selection of color in time for the wedding. --- flyhorse@cox.net wrote: > I have a flower bed approx 2 ft by 6 ft in front of > my family room. It is a western exposure, but > Chillian (don't think that chillain is spelled > correctly) Mesquites give it shade with some sun > lite coming through. I am having a wedding in the > back yard and need to know what I can plant for > pretty color. the wedding is at the end of October. > Any help you could give me would be greatly > appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From jls4@alumni.cwru.edu Tue Aug 13 06:18:15 2002 From: jls4@alumni.cwru.edu (Jonathan Shaw) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:18:15 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Top soil or fill dirt Message-ID: I have a few questions which I will try to split into multiple e-mails to make it easier for you to respond. This weekend (and maybe for the next weekend or two after that!), I'd like to improve the grading in the backyard to create some natural looking hills (up to 1 or 1.5 feet above current grade with up to a 20 degree slope). If I did my calculations correctly, I'll need about 11 tons of dirt. Should I be looking for top soil or fill dirt? This will be entirely xeriscaped and the plants that are in the raised elevations will be shrubs and ground covers and maybe an occasional cactus or succulent. I'm in north east Mesa near Power and McDowell, and the house is new so the dirt has been recently moved around and it is pretty flat and rocky right now. You can see a picture here (the last picture from the August 12, 2002 page). If pictures don't download, try reloading the web page (my ISP's web server has been serving pages sporadically). http://users.cableaz.com/~sneakymoose/landscaping/ -Jonathan {;-) jls4@alumni.cwru.edu From jls4@alumni.cwru.edu Tue Aug 13 06:38:42 2002 From: jls4@alumni.cwru.edu (Jonathan Shaw) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:38:42 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Small and mid-size trees for a small back yard Message-ID: My back yard is about 1200 square feet. The main area behind the patio is 27.5 feet wide and 21 feet deep. Then behind the garage, adjacent to the patio it is 23 feet wide by 14 feet deep. (The remaining 300 sq. feet is taken by the 4'8"-4'11" foot wide walkways on either side of the house.) Currently, I'm considering planting a Velvet Mesquite (Arizona Mesquite, prosopis velutina) in the larger area and a thevetia peruviana (Yellow Oleander) for the smaller area. Do these make sense? Will they provide some shade? I very much like the form of these trees but I am looking for other suggestions, too. Also note that the house is two stories, so for the larger area of the backyard, a taller tree would be cool but not really necessary. I don't like how the shoestring acacia looks (at least, not the ones on McDowell between the 101 and Hayden). Also, a friend recommended making a small sitting area between the two trees. And I will definitely have shrubs and ground covers planted around them, on little mounds and around boulders and stuff. So I want trees that are inviting for guests. I know the mesquite attracts bees (I have a Chilean mesquite in the front yard) but I suspect this won't be too bothersome?? Thanks for your help! -Jonathan {;-) jls4@alumni.cwru.edu From nighthawk@xwinds.com Tue Aug 13 14:55:58 2002 From: nighthawk@xwinds.com (nighthawk@xwinds.com) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:55:58 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Queen Palm Branches Chopped Off Message-ID: Greetings to all, I have not posted to this list before, but have read the digest with interest for about a year now. Thanks to all of you who patiently provide so much helpful and informative guidance! My first question follows: Last Friday my neighbor woke to discover that the little Queen Palm tree (about 3 feet high, trunk about 4 inches in diameter) in her front yard had all its palm fronds cut off. They were all lying on the ground next to it. There were no jagged edges, so the branches were not sawed off or pulled off or broken by the wind. It must have been a human accomplishment - the branches were just whacked right off with a clean, slightly angled, straight cut, like someone might have done with a machete. Prior to this incident, the tree had been rather stunted looking, but my neighbor had recently applied palm fertilizer and more water and it was beginning to look better, with fully formed, green palm fronds growing and opening. My question is, now that the damage has been done, will this tree continue to grow - will new fronds sprout from it? Is there anything my neighbor should do to help it heal? Or is it too late and should the trunk be dug up and removed? Thank you very much for any info you can provide! nighthawk From Rod McKusick" Removing all the fronds from a palm tree creates a great deal of stress and its chances of survival are iffy. However I would certainly not dig it up right away. If it survives it will take several months for new fronds to grow so don't be hasty. Continue to give the palm regular irrigations. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: nighthawk@xwinds.com To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Queen Palm Branches Chopped Off >Greetings to all, > >I have not posted to this list before, but have read the digest with >interest for about a year now. Thanks to all of you who patiently >provide so much helpful and informative guidance! > >My first question follows: >Last Friday my neighbor woke to discover that the little Queen Palm >tree (about 3 feet high, trunk about 4 inches in diameter) in her >front yard had all its palm fronds cut off. They were all lying on >the ground next to it. There were no jagged edges, so the branches >were not sawed off or pulled off or broken by the wind. It must have >been a human accomplishment - the branches were just whacked right >off with a clean, slightly angled, straight cut, like someone might >have done with a machete. > >Prior to this incident, the tree had been rather stunted looking, but >my neighbor had recently applied palm fertilizer and more water and >it was beginning to look better, with fully formed, green palm fronds >growing and opening. > >My question is, now that the damage has been done, will this tree >continue to grow - will new fronds sprout from it? Is there anything >my neighbor should do to help it heal? Or is it too late and should >the trunk be dug up and removed? > >Thank you very much for any info you can provide! > >nighthawk >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From Rod McKusick" A booklet titled LANDSCAPE WATERING BY THE NUMBERS is available free from most of the cities in the valley as well as from many nurseries. This booklet will give you detailed info on watering your trees and plants. Call the Water Conservation office in the city where you are located, you might ask them if they will send someone out to appraise your turf. Sorry but we do not make house calls. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: kjoch@cachethomes.net To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >We have 3 spec homes on the market and maintaining the landscaping is getting costly. Our water bills are over $600. How can we tell if our landscaper is over watering our yards? Keep in mind that the homes are $3mil. Is there someone who can come and evaluate our grass quality? Sounds silly, but my owner is asking. Thank you for your assistance. > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From tlmcfarlin@msm.com Wed Aug 14 01:57:25 2002 From: tlmcfarlin@msm.com (tlmcfarlin@msm.com) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:57:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208140157.g7E1vPP11565@Ag.arizona.edu> Information needed on growing Lemon Grass, Gota Kola, Water cress In Mesa. How may one find plants or seeds in the valley and what type of requirements for success. From bluesjam@hotmail.com Wed Aug 14 02:13:27 2002 From: bluesjam@hotmail.com (rod flash) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:13:27 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Tomatoes Message-ID: Hello, Some of my tomatoes are developing large brown spots on the bottom of the fruit and rotting away.Any help would be appreciated. JIM _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From drew_linda@hotmail.com Wed Aug 14 03:11:14 2002 From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:11:14 +0000 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Tomatoes, blossom end rot Message-ID: See info on Blossom End Rot It sounds like it could be blossom-end rot which has a multitude of causes, all stemming from a plant's inability to utilize calcium in the soil. Soil calcium is available to the plant only when soil is evenly moist, so the most common causes of this disorder are drought and extreme variation in soil moisture -- going consistently from soaked to very dry and back again. It can also be caused by a soil mineral imbalance, root damage, heavy soil resulting in an inadequate plant root system, temperature swings, and high soil salt content. Plant resistant varieties in well-drained, good garden soil or raised beds. Place 3 to 5 inches of mulch around your plants. Mulches will help maintain a consistent soil moisture. Make sure you water deep enough to wash salts below root level. This information is taken from Sunset's Western Garden Problem Solver that can be found at most nurseries and book stores. The Co. operative Extension's Fact Sheet MC 22 also suggests shading plants with a cheese type cloth to slow transpiration. You might find several publications regarding growing tomatoes in the desert on line. For example you might try http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/vegetable/tomatoes >From: "rod flash" >To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Tomatoes >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 02:13:27 +0000 > > >Hello, >Some of my tomatoes are developing large brown spots on the bottom of the >fruit and rotting away.Any help would be appreciated. >JIM > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From jennifero@cox.net Thu Aug 15 17:04:08 2002 From: jennifero@cox.net (jennifero@cox.net) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:04:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208151704.g7FH48P11817@Ag.arizona.edu> I live in North Phoenix near Tatum and Bell Rd. Can you tell me what my elevation is? From RkBetu@aol.com Thu Aug 15 23:44:51 2002 From: RkBetu@aol.com (RkBetu@aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:44:51 EDT Subject: [Arid_gardener] Gopher screens Message-ID: <194.b930717.2a8d96f3@aol.com> About 2 months ago, my neighbor planted a Chinese elm, about 5 foot tall. Because of gopher problems, she lined the hole with chicken wire, including the bottom (about 2 foot deep). I told her I didn't think one was supposed to put wire under the tree. Will this interfere with its root growth? If so, when would be the best time to dig it back up and remove the wire? Thanks.. Rocki in Wittmann From sue_dunning@gilbert.k12.az.us Fri Aug 16 02:39:05 2002 From: sue_dunning@gilbert.k12.az.us (sue_dunning@gilbert.k12.az.us) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:39:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208160239.g7G2d5P03713@Ag.arizona.edu> My third graders planted pumpkins last spring in our class garden. We have blossoms but no pumpkins don't seem to be forming. I know this is a pollination problem. I know there are male and female blossoms. I know a moth pollinates the flowers and I've even tried doing this with a feather. What else can I do? Also, would anyone be willing to come out to Gilbert Elementary to advise me? From gardenguru" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C244EF.297681A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been a question regarding the use of copper as trellises for = vegetables. They wanted to know if the natural oxidation of copper could = cause any problems with the vegetables and make them uneatable.=20 I had someone say the use of sulfur around landscaping would deter = snakes from venturing into their yard. I could not confirm this. 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 We established the lawn 11 years = ago with a=20 sterile buffalo grass sod (not seed).  When inspecting the dead = areas of=20 the lawn the grass itself looks deformed -- regular buffalo runners that = suddenly turn into deformed purplish clumps.  I have no idea what = the cause=20 of the problem is  (pest? disease? soil?) and haven't yet attempted = any=20 remedies.  It is getting plenty of water, as the = unaffected areas=20 are looking lush ( okay, lush by buffalo grass standards :)  = ).  =20 We only mow it occasionally, = perhaps once a=20 month -- one of the features we really like about the turf is that it=20 can go unmowed and not get too tall.
 
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Theresa Cuprak,
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------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C23EC2.051C3F30-- From s2@arcworldwide.com Fri Aug 16 21:29:24 2002 From: s2@arcworldwide.com (Sherryl Stalinski) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:29:24 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] creosote/cholla Message-ID: <3D5D6EB4.68E7A59C@arcworldwide.com> When we were landscaping this spring, I cut back 2 "planted by nature" creosote bushes that had been serving as nursemaids to 2, now very large and beautiful chollas. I wanted to showcase these chollas along my drive. Of course, I knew this was a tricky (and sticky!) proposition, but we have enough native creosote elsewhere, so I carefully pruned these to the ground. On the one, I managed to get all the stems below soil level and seem to have eliminated the creosote, on the other, as I suspected would happen, the tiny remaining stumps are growing again. My question is, if I carefully use roundup and protect any overspray from the cholla, will that work (we're only talking a few inches between creosote and cholla stem). I'd rather regularly prune the creosote stumps down than risk hurting this stunning specimen of a cholla, but if it's possible, it sure would save a lot of continual maintenance. Suggestions? -- Sherryl Stalinski, M.A. Tucson office: (520) 578-2801 || page me online at AOL-IM: AuroraS2 ===================================================== Aurora Now Foundation -- http://www.auroranow.org Helping human systems create better futures. Our Integrity Incubator helps new & young companies succeed. http://www.auroranow.org/incubator/ ARC Worldwide -- http://www.arcworldwide.com Creating breakthroughs in Awareness-Responsibility-Communication "I became convinced we are here for each other." -- R. Buckminster Fuller From curtnlauren9707@aol.com Sun Aug 18 06:44:38 2002 From: curtnlauren9707@aol.com (curtnlauren9707@aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:44:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208180644.g7I6icP00733@Ag.arizona.edu> my question to you is that we have tiny black beetles that come out only at night and land on our patio, they seem to have wings and are only about 1/16- 1/8 inch long. what kind of beelte are they? From rakdak@quik.net Sun Aug 18 00:19:51 2002 From: rakdak@quik.net (rakdak@quik.net) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:19:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208180019.g7I0JpP06570@Ag.arizona.edu> Have pond, want water lilies. Do not know where to obtain them. Also info on their requirements as to nutrition,etc. Thank you. Dick From rjminaz@cox.net Sat Aug 17 18:13:51 2002 From: rjminaz@cox.net (rjminaz@cox.net) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:13:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200208171813.g7HIDpP13183@Ag.arizona.edu> Hi, I live in North Central Phoenix (Deer Valley) and I just decided to grow some vines on a trellis for sun block. They will have a West facing view with a covered patio to the East. I've been doing some research and it looks like Kiwi Vines need between 400-600 hours of chilling and I believe that this part gets about 500. There is a Russian variety called "Anne" which is short for a long Russian word, and it seems to have some favorable qualities. I am aware that it will require a male plant, but I have room for 4 plants total. Since there are so many different varieties, which do you suggest are grown here? Thanks in advance! Bob From popsy97@yahoo.com Sat Aug 17 01:16:01 2002 From: popsy97@yahoo.com (Judy Braden) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Arid_gardener] creosote/cholla In-Reply-To: <3D5D6EB4.68E7A59C@arcworldwide.com> Message-ID: <20020817011601.41272.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> It doesn't take much Roundup to kill creosote. I killed a big one accidentally by overspray. --- Sherryl Stalinski wrote: > When we were landscaping this spring, I cut back 2 > "planted by nature" > creosote bushes that had been serving as nursemaids > to 2, now very large > and beautiful chollas. I wanted to showcase these > chollas along my > drive. > > Of course, I knew this was a tricky (and sticky!) > proposition, but we > have enough native creosote elsewhere, so I > carefully pruned these to > the ground. On the one, I managed to get all the > stems below soil level > and seem to have eliminated the creosote, on the > other, as I suspected > would happen, the tiny remaining stumps are growing > again. My question > is, if I carefully use roundup and protect any > overspray from the > cholla, will that work (we're only talking a few > inches between creosote > and cholla stem). > > I'd rather regularly prune the creosote stumps down > than risk hurting > this stunning specimen of a cholla, but if it's > possible, it sure would > save a lot of continual maintenance. > > Suggestions? > > -- > Sherryl Stalinski, M.A. > > Tucson office: (520) 578-2801 || page me online at > AOL-IM: AuroraS2 > ===================================================== > Aurora Now Foundation -- http://www.auroranow.org > Helping human systems create better futures. > Our Integrity Incubator helps new & young > companies succeed. > http://www.auroranow.org/incubator/ > > ARC Worldwide -- http://www.arcworldwide.com > Creating breakthroughs in > Awareness-Responsibility-Communication > > > "I became convinced we are here for each other." > -- R. Buckminster > Fuller > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From Jonathan Kandell" Message-ID: <000101c24580$7ff3a6c0$36178144@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C24543.139432C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Chinaberry tree, common in Phoenix, is a close relative of the Neem. = Not sure if it shares all of its insecticidal qualities. 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Any ideas on how to prevent ants from doing this again? I have tree frogs and a toad in there and don't want to spray anything! The ants are already a permanent resident of my beds, so keeping them out is not an option. We get along (except when they bite me) until I sow seeds and then they are a problem. I want the ants to leave long enough for my seeds to sprout. They take stuff from the greenhouse outside to their nest, and also there are a couple of nests inside. They move their nest around depending on how much I annoy them. I am wondering if I put bay leaves or other plant material they don't like in the blender and made a powder and mix it with the seeds if it would repel the ants long enough? Thx B From popsy97@yahoo.com Mon Aug 19 17:49:45 2002 From: popsy97@yahoo.com (Judy Braden) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page In-Reply-To: <200208180019.g7I0JpP06570@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <20020819174945.25563.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, The Lily Pond at 3635 E. Palm Lane in Phoenix has a nice selection.(602) 273-1805. I've ordered from here http://www.aqua-mart.com/show.pl and was pleased with the results. I suggest not buying lilies from a regular garden center as their selection is limited and their prices high. I'm sure I'll have extra lilies next spring but that's a long time to wait. :-) When I plant, I put some fertilizer tabs in the bottom and once a year add tabs to the pots. They will have more growth the more you fertilize, but I don't want mine to grow as much. Make sure the tabs are covered with the soil or they will cause excess algae bloom. Remove dead flowers and leaves. You can prune by as much as one third to help minimize plants. Use a heavy soil mix to plant or it will float away. I found out the hard way: don't use pots bigger than you can handle out of the pond. Judy --- rakdak@quik.net wrote: > Have pond, want water lilies. Do not know where to > obtain them. Also info on their requirements as to > nutrition,etc. > Thank you. Dick > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Never a dull moment!! ***** Check out the garden cams on Saturdays and Sundays! ***** Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday -----Original Message----- From: BeverlyFz2@aol.com [mailto:BeverlyFz2@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:14 AM To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Subject: [Arid_gardener] Ants I am getting ready to plant vegetable seeds. Last year ants immediately took off with my seeds and I had almost nothing left. I had to start stuff in pots and transplant them when I really don't want to do it this way. I have raised beds in my greenhouse. Any ideas on how to prevent ants from doing this again? I have tree frogs and a toad in there and don't want to spray anything! The ants are already a permanent resident of my beds, so keeping them out is not an option. We get along (except when they bite me) until I sow seeds and then they are a problem. I want the ants to leave long enough for my seeds to sprout. They take stuff from the greenhouse outside to their nest, and also there are a couple of nests inside. They move their nest around depending on how much I annoy them. I am wondering if I put bay leaves or other plant material they don't like in the blender and made a powder and mix it with the seeds if it would repel the ants long enough? Thx B _______________________________________________ Arid_gardener mailing list Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener From bailey@phoenix.edu Mon