From venkeraz@msn.com Mon Sep 2 23:40:25 2002
From: venkeraz@msn.com (venkeraz@msn.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:40:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209022340.g82NePw09498@Ag.arizona.edu>
Bermuda grass has invaded the flowers and shrubs planted throughout my yard. Is there a herbicide that will kill bermuda grass without killing the flowers and shrubs?
From hbfrau@cybertrails.com Mon Sep 2 17:40:10 2002
From: hbfrau@cybertrails.com (hbfrau@cybertrails.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:40:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209021740.g82HeAw05939@Ag.arizona.edu>
How much water daily does a mature pine tree require? I was in the White Mountains recently at a seminar and was told that they need 100 gallons daily. Is this correct?
From laurielwilliams@yahoo.com Mon Sep 2 02:45:46 2002
From: laurielwilliams@yahoo.com (laurielwilliams@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:45:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209020245.g822jkw16627@Ag.arizona.edu>
Help!!
I need to dig up my flower bed to redo the sprinkler system and I have lots of bulbs and rizomes planted I have never had to dig them up before. What is the best way to store them and when can I plant them again?
I also have a rose tree that was grown from a cutting from the rose tree in tombstone. I has not benn doing well the last couple of seasons and now appears to be dying. When would be the best time to trim out the dead branches? How far back should I trim the living branches?
I live up against North Mountain in the Sunnyslope area. The area were the flower bed and rose tree are gets mostly morning sun it is shady in the afternoon.
Thanks for your help,
Laurie Williams
From turleyrink@cox.net Tue Sep 3 09:08:18 2002
From: turleyrink@cox.net (turleyrink@cox.net)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 02:08:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209030908.g8398Iw11259@Ag.arizona.edu>
I have a side yard that is partly shaded by walls at certain times of the day. I'd like to use this space for a vegetable garden, planting fall and winter crops, then summer crops. How many hours of sun do I need to grow vegetable?
From apacker@interbaun.com Tue Sep 3 01:14:54 2002
From: apacker@interbaun.com (apacker@interbaun.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:14:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209030114.g831Esw17683@Ag.arizona.edu>
In dryland gardening,to reduce weeds, (assuming one will not use a herbicide), I have read that planting densely, and NOT planting in rows, will make it harder for weeds to grow. Is this true, and have there been studues to corroborate this?
From pikikoko@msn.com Sun Sep 1 05:20:25 2002
From: pikikoko@msn.com (Mike ENRIQUEZ)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:20:25 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] "Making Wild Flowers Sing, 9/14/02
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Dear Listmenbers and Friends,
On September 14, I will be presenting a Seminar at the Master Gardeners
Office. It's about Wild Flowers but maybe it should be titled "Making Wild
Flowers Sing". Please tell your friends about it, and if you can please
plan to attend, I would enjoy meeting and seeing some old friends.
Admission is $15.00 and it's for a great cause the "Master Gardener Program."
I am a registered Architect so there will be lots on environmental design.
I am also a Watercolorist who is heavy on the color brush, so there will
much to talk when it comes to the use of color with flowers. We will talk
about site planning and how to plan your property so you ge the most
benefit from your flowers. I plan to give out some Wild Flower Seeds to get
people started. I also plan to raffle a Desert Landscaping CD with the
proceeds going to the MG Program. The presentation should be very
beneficial to anyone in the planning stages or if they are planning to redo
and refresh their landscapes.
It's ok to bring a sketch of your property to discuss should you need some
help with your project. I will be showing some existing homes and
evaluating them from for over all concept.
Attendees will see flower slides collected on my trips: they will have to
guess the county of origin. Please feel free to recommend changes to my
presention, if you feel other areas should be covered. Please do it soon.
It will not be a presentaion about "Bot." names and telling people to plant
seeds 1/16th of an inch below grade. I feel the MG Program has very good
printed information that covers that area. Those who attend will have a fun
time. Please tell a friend.
Thanks.
Mike Enriquez MG aka "Daisy Man"
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Dear Listmenbers and Friends,
On September 14, I will be presenting a Seminar at the Master Gardeners
Office. It's about Wild Flowers but maybe it should be titled
"Making Wild Flowers Sing". Please tell your friends about it,
and if you can please plan to attend, I would enjoy meeting and seeing
some old friends. Admission is $15.00 and it's for a great cause the
"Master Gardener Program."
I am a registered Architect so there will be lots on environmental
design. I am also a Watercolorist who is heavy on the color brush, so
there will much to talk when it comes to the use of color with flowers.
We will talk about site planning and how to plan your property so you ge
the most benefit from your flowers. I plan to give out some Wild Flower
Seeds to get people started. I also plan to raffle a Desert Landscaping
CD with the proceeds going to the MG Program. The presentation should be
very beneficial to anyone in the planning stages or if they are planning
to redo and refresh their landscapes.
It's ok to bring a sketch of your property to discuss should you need
some help with your project. I will be showing some existing homes and
evaluating them from for over all concept.
Attendees will see flower slides collected on my trips: they will have to
guess the county of origin. Please feel free to recommend changes to my
presention, if you feel other areas should be covered. Please do it soon.
It will not be a presentaion about "Bot." names and telling
people to plant seeds 1/16th of an inch below grade. I feel the MG
Program has very good printed information that covers that area. Those
who attend will have a fun time. Please tell a friend.
Thanks.
Mike Enriquez MG aka "Daisy Man"
MiketheComputerGeek
Made to Order Mobile Laptops,Servers & Workstations and Technical Support.
Cel Phone 602-803-0559
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From steve.bennett@airliquide.com Tue Sep 3 17:52:51 2002
From: steve.bennett@airliquide.com (steve.bennett@airliquide.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:52:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209031752.g83Hqpw21695@Ag.arizona.edu>
Hello, About three months ago I planted two Plum Treees in my yard. One is a Santa Rosa and the other is a Satsuma and they are about four feet apart, I water them both the same way about every three to four days. The Santa Rosa seems to be doing just fine but the Satsuma's leaves have turned brown and the tree looks to be struggling. Could it be to much or not enough water? Or do the leaves turn brown because of the Arizona heat?
Thank You.
From dpalmer@bakersfield.com Tue Sep 3 18:48:29 2002
From: dpalmer@bakersfield.com (Debbie Palmer)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:48:29 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Wasps
Message-ID: <6D32517004178743B3E795110ED09FDA32494D@exchange.bakersfieldcalifornian.net>
we have a lot of wasps around our pool, we have a lot of acreage and fruit trees, we can't even swim in our pool for we have hundreds of them in it. HELP What can we do.
Debbie Palmer--CSR
Mission Possible
dpalmer@bakersfield.com
Ph. 395-7622
Fax 395-7557
From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Tue Sep 3 22:06:22 2002
From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:06:22 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Killing bermuda grass in your shrub beds
Message-ID: <001c01c25396$39758c80$461d0a3f@ibmbna6040>
An herbicide containing a chemical called Flazifop can be used to kill
bermuda grass by spraying over the top of your shrubs with out damaging your
shrubs. One such product with the trade name of GRASS BE GONE contains this
chemical. Be sure to read the label.
Good luck
Rod McKusick
Master Gardener
-----Original Message-----
From: venkeraz@msn.com
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Date: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:34 AM
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Bermuda grass has invaded the flowers and shrubs planted throughout my
yard. Is there a herbicide that will kill bermuda grass without killing the
flowers and shrubs?
>
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From RONALDDAVIS2237@MSN.COM Tue Sep 3 20:51:20 2002
From: RONALDDAVIS2237@MSN.COM (RONALDDAVIS2237@MSN.COM)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:51:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209032051.g83KpKw01830@Ag.arizona.edu>
Help! Can you help me figure out why my Crimson Sweet Watermelons are splitting open at various sizes, before they are ripe?
I have experimented with the watering schedual, even allowing them less water than normal, and it didn't seem to make a difference.
When the first 5 or 6 fruits began to ripen, they were large -upwards of 20lbs. the size they are supposed to grow- and healthy looking. Now they don't seem to want to grow that large & have slowed-down -that is, if they don't split in half first.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank You.
Ron.
From jerry@intrec.com Wed Sep 4 14:40:49 2002
From: jerry@intrec.com (Jerry Cline)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:40:49 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Wasps
In-Reply-To: <6D32517004178743B3E795110ED09FDA32494D@exchange.bakersfieldcalifornian.ne
t>
References: <6D32517004178743B3E795110ED09FDA32494D@exchange.bakersfieldcalifornian.ne
t>
Message-ID:
At 11:48 -0700 09/03/2002, Debbie Palmer wrote:
> we have a lot of wasps around our pool, we have a lot of acreage
and fruit trees, we can't even swim in our pool for we have hundreds
of them in it. HELP What can we do.
Debi -
We've always allowed wasps to drink from our pool. We've not bothered
them, and they've never bothered us. I don't remember any of us ever
being stung in 30+ years. We take pleasure in the observation that
wasps have adapted feet that allows them to walk on water; they then
put their head down, drink like a cow and take off with a full load -
amazing! They drink, we swim. :)
Keep in mind wasps are predators, and a very positive influence on
your immediate environment; they generally do not eat what you eat,
or destroy what you find useful, and they hunt and eat critters that
may be "bugging" your orchard. :) In fact, if you have a lot of
wasps, they're getting a lot to eat someplace close, and it sounds
like your orchard may be benefiting from your "neighbors." Take a
walk into your orchard and watch for them as they inspect the
branches and leaves for some leaf-munching, or sap-sucking critter.
When found, they're quick to grab the fresh protein and haul it home
to their young.
As an aside (a visual image here), you may notice when traveling that
when stopped at a viewpoint or any general area where traveling
vehicles are parked, wasps and more generally hornets are often there
taking advantage of bugs that met their demise on the leading edges
of the traveling vehicles -- An evolution is happening there, these
critters swarm around the huge "dinner collectors" in a sort of
symbiotic way -- you get your car cleaned, and they get all the
protein they can eat. It's like a never ending cafeteria for them.
That relational opportunity evolved just in this last century.
Left alone, bees and wasps and hornets just want to do their thing
and to let us do ours.
Ain't nature grand! :-)
Regards,
--
Jerry Cline - Take only pictures - leave only footprints.
If you want to live and thrive, let a spider run alive.
From ASUsped@aol.com Wed Sep 4 08:33:31 2002
From: ASUsped@aol.com (ASUsped@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 04:33:31 EDT
Subject: [Arid_gardener] half circles on the leaves of my rose bush!
Message-ID: <180.d1413c5.2aa71f5b@aol.com>
Hello everyone,
Yesterday, I was standing behind my window looking at my rose bush (Golden
Showers) and I saw this thing flying and landing on one of the leaves for few
seconds and then flew away and to my horror, there was a hole on the leaf of
the shape of half circle. Please, help me as I am going to start hosing my
rose bush with water every morning but I have a feeling I am going to need to
do more.....Mike
P.S: This is my second email to this list and I hope this time it would go
through.
From Allen Keltner"
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grin)
Please help!
Allen Keltner
Surprise, AZ
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From imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 4 05:32:11 2002
From: imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net (olin)
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:32:11 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Drip Irrigation Guidelines
References: <200208311836.g7VIagw27200@Ag.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <006b01c253d5$95853630$1b50530c@delljor9501>
----- Original Message ----- From:
> Can't find drip irrigation guidelines
There is a vey comprehensive and somehat technical booklet online at
http://www.amwua.org/dripirrigguide.pdf .
It is 62 pages long and takes up over 13 MB of RAM and takes a few minutes
to load.
Olin
From drew_linda@hotmail.com Wed Sep 4 02:53:39 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 02:53:39 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] plum trees - Santa Rosa and Satsuma
Message-ID:
The Santa Rosa plum is recommended for the low desert,
but the Satsuma is recommended for 3500-7000 feet.
I suspect summers are too lot in the low desert for the
Satsuma.
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From: steve.bennett@airliquide.com
>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:52:51 -0700 (MST)
>
>Hello, About three months ago I planted two Plum Treees in my yard. One is
>a Santa Rosa and the other is a Satsuma and they are about four feet apart,
>I water them both the same way about every three to four days. The Santa
>Rosa seems to be doing just fine but the Satsuma's leaves have turned brown
>and the tree looks to be struggling. Could it be to much or not enough
>water? Or do the leaves turn brown because of the Arizona heat?
>Thank You.
>
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From drew_linda@hotmail.com Wed Sep 4 03:01:17 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 03:01:17 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] frip irrigation guidelines
Message-ID:
A booklet titled LANDSCAPE WATERING BY THE NUMBERS is available free from
most of the cities in the valley as well as from many nurseries. This
booklet will give you detailed info on watering your trees and plants.
also try these web sites:
http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html
http://www.amwua.org/xscp-wateringschedules.htm
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From: radome48@earthlink.net
>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:36:42 -0700 (MST)
>
>Can't find drip irrigation guidelines
>
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From drew_linda@hotmail.com Wed Sep 4 02:48:35 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 02:48:35 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Wasps
Message-ID:
I don't have experience with wasps, but I would think that
you will need to find the nests and have them killed and
removed (as you would with a beehive on your property that
is presumed to be africanized).
Wasps are beneficial, eating insects, but it sounds like
you need to reduce the population.
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From: "Debbie Palmer"
>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Wasps
>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:48:29 -0700
>
>
>we have a lot of wasps around our pool, we have a lot of acreage and fruit
>trees, we can't even swim in our pool for we have hundreds of them in it.
>HELP What can we do.
>
>Debbie Palmer--CSR
>Mission Possible
>dpalmer@bakersfield.com
>Ph. 395-7622
>Fax 395-7557
>
>
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From Alan.Zelhart@motorola.com Wed Sep 4 15:46:41 2002
From: Alan.Zelhart@motorola.com (Zelhart Alan-rpcs30)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:46:41 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] half circles on the leaves of my rose bush!
Message-ID: <37019C4D4EBED511A98100D0B7B99307032F406E@az33exm25.corp.mot.com>
Hi ASUsped,
No need to worry, the damage is only cosmetic, and will not hurt the rose bush itself. The damage you saw done, was done by a cutter bee. Since they do not ingest the leaf, and only use it as nest material, there is no way to kill these bees.
--
Chat with you later...
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http://www.gizmoaz.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: ASUsped@aol.com [mailto:ASUsped@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:34 AM
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Subject: [Arid_gardener] half circles on the leaves of my rose bush!
Hello everyone,
Yesterday, I was standing behind my window looking at my rose bush (Golden
Showers) and I saw this thing flying and landing on one of the leaves for few
seconds and then flew away and to my horror, there was a hole on the leaf of
the shape of half circle. Please, help me as I am going to start hosing my
rose bush with water every morning but I have a feeling I am going to need to
do more.....Mike
P.S: This is my second email to this list and I hope this time it would go
through.
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From jerry@intrec.com Wed Sep 4 16:19:22 2002
From: jerry@intrec.com (Jerry Cline)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:19:22 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] half circles on the leaves of my rose bush!
In-Reply-To: <180.d1413c5.2aa71f5b@aol.com>
References: <180.d1413c5.2aa71f5b@aol.com>
Message-ID:
A natural part of our beautiful Sonoran desert ecology
The cause is small bee (barely 1/2 inch long and can walk through a
small soda straw) commonly referred to as the "leafcutter bee" but
the bee is know to entomologists as the alfalfa leafcutter bee
(Megachile pacifica (Panzer)). The bee is gorgeous little metallic
green and grey critter, and harmless, except to the subjective look
of a priceless rose :)
The leafcutter is one of natures better pollinators and is praised as
the best, even better than honeybees for pollinating certain crops,
alfalfa comes to mind. Alfalfa is difficult to pollinate; a "small
part of the blossom has to be unlocked to get at the nectar, and when
this happens, the blossom releases a mechanism that "bangs" the back
of the bee leaving it pollen grains in exchange for the nectar.
Honeybees tire of the the extra work and harassment but the
leafcutter can get in and trip that "trigger" without getting
thumped, and they work tirelessly.
They love to nest in pre-made holes the size of soda straws (you may
even notice they can use the round hole in an outdoor electrical
socket. Consequently, pollinating companies use cartons of soda
straws open and exposed on both ends, and the bees fill these straws
with bits of leaves (like your rose petal :) and pollen and eggs.
Leafcutters like soft leaves like bougainvillea and rose petals.
Pollinator companies then sell those leafcutter egg laden straw
packages in areas where seed production and pollination are an
important part of local commerce.
Interesting trivia:
The eggs are put in the orifice one at a time, then more leaves,
pollen, and another egg, etc. The last egg placed hatches first, then
the next one in, and the next one in and on and on until all the
young bees are released in the reverse order of which they were
placed. Ain't nature wonderful?!
What do you do about them? I watch them, you may want to put light
gauze or some other screening over the valued item. Mileages differ!
:-)
Many refs on the Internet, I found this:
http://www.pollination.com/PublicationsResearch/IPSpub01.htm
http://www.pollination.com/PublicationsResearch/IPSpub02.htm
--
Jerry Cline
Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Wed Sep 4 21:55:02 2002
From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:55:02 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] half circles on the leaves of my rose bush!
Message-ID: <001601c2545d$ba362ec0$532c0a3f@ibmbna6040>
Mike,
What you saw was a cutter bee removing a piece of leaf to make his nest.
Since the bee does not ingest the leaf, unfortunately there is not any thing
you can do to stop the bee. It is something that all of us that grow roses
as well as some other shrubs have to endure.
Good luck.
Rod McKusick
Master Gardener and Consulting Rosarian
-----Original Message-----
From: ASUsped@aol.com
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Date: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:22 AM
Subject: [Arid_gardener] half circles on the leaves of my rose bush!
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Yesterday, I was standing behind my window looking at my rose bush
(Golden
>Showers) and I saw this thing flying and landing on one of the leaves for
few
>seconds and then flew away and to my horror, there was a hole on the leaf
of
>the shape of half circle. Please, help me as I am going to start hosing my
>rose bush with water every morning but I have a feeling I am going to need
to
>do more.....Mike
>
>P.S: This is my second email to this list and I hope this time it would go
>through.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Arid_gardener mailing list
>Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu
>http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener
>
From jefferys@peoriaaz.com Wed Sep 4 21:51:24 2002
From: jefferys@peoriaaz.com (jefferys@peoriaaz.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:51:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209042151.g84LpOp19964@Ag.arizona.edu>
Are there any charts that show the relative water demand between tree species? Seems like I may have seen one years ago that (for example) showed mesquites to be higher water users than generally thought by the public.
From tishahays@yahoo.com Thu Sep 5 00:53:33 2002
From: tishahays@yahoo.com (tishahays@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:53:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209050053.g850rXp26196@Ag.arizona.edu>
We have two large oleanders which have always done well. They are about 8 years old. About six months ago, however, they started losing leaves about halfway down the bush and many of these branches are dead. The remaining growth looks dry but the plants are on a drip system which waters them 2.5 hours every 3 days. What could be going on? Should we trim the oleanders once it cools off and hope they rejuvenate in the cooler weather?
From bradleyl@Ag.arizona.edu Thu Sep 5 01:53:52 2002
From: bradleyl@Ag.arizona.edu (Lucy Bradley)
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:53:52 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] insect id
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020904184906.046ba670@ag.arizona.edu>
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Fee involved. PCO, PCA, and CCA continuing education credits available.
For more information you can contact Dawn Gouge, Kirk Smith or Peter
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Fax: (602) 470-8092
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*September 18, 25 & October 2, 9, 2002
Insect Identification for the Practitioner -
ENTO 497a (1 credit, UA)
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From pamela.koch@nsepnet.org Thu Sep 5 02:26:40 2002
From: pamela.koch@nsepnet.org (Pamela Lynn Tremain Koch)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:26:40 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] lantana
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Has anyone had experience with relatively established lantana (over 1 =
year in the ground) suddenly dying? I have lost two in the past weeks. =
Within a period of about two weeks, they shriveled up and died. When I =
pulled them out, the roots were mostly gone--either rotted away or eaten =
away. I have since doused several others that were looking poorly with =
some garden insecticide, thinking it might be grubs... they seem to be =
recovering. I also lost one hibiscus from a similar cause.=20
I have never had problems with lantana before this and wanted to know if =
anyone else had. Also, I wanted to confirm is there is a good chance =
this is a grub problem, so I don't use insecticide when I would be =
better off treating some kind of plant disease. =20
These are on the same drip system as my other plants, and the drips were =
clear and working fine. The plants get watered every 4 days with 3 =
gallons water per plant (1 gallon drippers for 3 hours). The other =
plants on this system are all looking fine.
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From cnoyes@Ag.arizona.edu Thu Sep 5 16:19:27 2002
From: cnoyes@Ag.arizona.edu (Carol Noyes)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:19:27 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Grand Opening Celebration, UA Campus Botanical Garden
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The University of Arizona Campus Arboretum's Grand Opening Celebration
on the West Lawn of Old Main, in the Historic District of the University of
Arizona Campus.
9:00 a.m. until 10:00 a.m.
September 28, 2002
The UA Campus has been honored with acceptance into the American
Association of Botanical Gardens and Arboreta
Our keynote speaker will be David Yetman, host of KUAT's "The Desert Speaks"
Shuttles to Old Main will be available from the Tyndall Parking Garage,
located south of University Blvd and east of Euclid.
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The University of Arizona Campus
Arboretum's Grand Opening Celebration
on the West Lawn of Old Main, in the Historic District of the
University of Arizona Campus.
9:00 a.m. until 10:00 a.m.
September 28, 2002
The UA Campus has been honored with acceptance into the American
Association of Botanical Gardens and Arboreta
Our keynote speaker will be David Yetman, host of KUAT's "The Desert
Speaks"
Shuttles to Old Main will be
available from the Tyndall Parking Garage, located south of University
Blvd and east of Euclid.
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From msmaxicat@aol.com Thu Sep 5 18:52:04 2002
From: msmaxicat@aol.com (msmaxicat@aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:52:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209051852.g85Iq4p18884@Ag.arizona.edu>
Why is my Bermuda lawn grass brown after I mow it? It is beautiful before mowing, then awful ughly after. About the time it greens up again, it is time to mow it again. I think it gets browner each time I mow it. Early in the spring/summer, this was not true. I would appreciate your help. Thanks.
From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Thu Sep 5 22:18:04 2002
From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:18:04 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Bermuda grass turns brown after mowing
Message-ID: <001b01c2552a$1c0e93e0$cb04e043@ibmbna6040>
If you are cutting off more than 1/3 of the total height of your bermuda
grass the grass is very likely to turn brown. My bermuda (common) is growing
fast enough that it must be cut about every 4 to 5 days in order to stay
within the 1/3 rule.
Good luck.
Rod McKusick
Master Gardener
-----Original Message-----
From: msmaxicat@aol.com
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:30 PM
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Why is my Bermuda lawn grass brown after I mow it? It is beautiful before
mowing, then awful ughly after. About the time it greens up again, it is
time to mow it again. I think it gets browner each time I mow it. Early in
the spring/summer, this was not true. I would appreciate your help.
Thanks.
>
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From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Thu Sep 5 22:58:13 2002
From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:58:13 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] California Pepper Trees
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Allen,
The California Pepper is susceptable to Texas Root Rot and nematodes. =
You said that the property where you live was former farmland. If cotton =
was grown on the property and cotton is susceptable to Texas Root Rot, =
and it is nearly impossible to rid the soil of TRR, this could be your =
problem.
Other areas that I would suggest investigating are the composted soil =
and the native soil for a toxic chemical.
You stated that you gave the newly planted tree very little water, a =
newly planted tree planted in summer here in the low desert should be =
watered every other day for two weeks at which time the interval should =
be extended one day at a time for two weeks until after 10 weeks you =
would be watering once every 7 days.=20
Good luck.
Rod McKusick
Master Gardener
-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Keltner
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Date: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:26 AM
Subject: [Arid_gardener] California Pepper Trees
Last March I bought 2 California Pepper Trees of the 15 gallon size. =
I planted them about 30 feet apart in my back yard. They receive full =
sun, until about 4pm in the afternoon.
The one to the South side of the yard is doing very well, but the one =
to the North side, died. I have been treating both of them exactly the =
same. Both were planted by the nursery that I bought them from. About =
2 weeks ago, I called the nursery and told them about the one tree dying =
and they said I could pick up a replacement. I did that and then =
planted it in the same spot, with fresh composted soil.
Now this new tree is dying as well. I hardly gave it any water, as =
they said that they require very little, but I did soak it when I first =
planted it and then again about a day later. It immediately started =
going down hill though, from the time I put it in the hole.
Does anyone have any idea what the problem is? I live in the SE =
corner of Surprise and the ground here was once farmland. (Wasn't it =
all? grin)
Please help!
Allen Keltner
Surprise, AZ
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Allen,
The California Pepper is susceptable to Texas Root =
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farmland. If=20
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Rot,=20
and it is nearly impossible to rid the soil of TRR, this could be your=20
problem.
Other areas that I would suggest investigating =
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tree very=20
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desert=20
should be watered every other day for two weeks at which time the =
interval=20
should be extended one day at a time for two weeks until after 10 weeks =
you=20
would be watering once every 7 days.
Last March I bought 2 California Pepper Trees of the 15 gallon=20
size. I planted them about 30 feet apart in my back yard. =
They=20
receive full sun, until about 4pm in the afternoon.
The one to the South side of the yard is doing very well, but the =
one to=20
the North side, died. I have been treating both of them exactly =
the=20
same. Both were planted by the nursery that I bought them =
from. =20
About 2 weeks ago, I called the nursery and told them about the one =
tree dying=20
and they said I could pick up a replacement. I did that and then =
planted=20
it in the same spot, with fresh composted soil.
Now this new tree is dying as well. I hardly gave it any =
water, as=20
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started=20
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Does anyone have any idea what the problem is? I live =
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Please help!
Allen Keltner
Surprise, AZ
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From jwmoneal@cox.net Thu Sep 5 23:11:42 2002
From: jwmoneal@cox.net (jwmoneal@cox.net)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:11:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209052311.g85NBgp16063@Ag.arizona.edu>
I want to plant a winter lawn, is there a way to do it with out using all the manure that I see people use. I forget the grass I have but it’s the same stuff that they have at Bank One ballpark.
Thank You
From kasko@teneyckla.com Fri Sep 6 15:25:43 2002
From: kasko@teneyckla.com (kasko@teneyckla.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:25:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209061525.g86FPhp05609@Ag.arizona.edu>
I have an acacia constricta that was planted in 1995. The past coupple years, I have lost several branches to intense winds during monsoons. Last night I lost two more huge branches. The size is appr 17hx15w. The branches seem so heavy and strong.
My question is - is there anything about this species or acacia's in particular that make them susceptible to cracking, or is the problem probably more cultural practices?
Thanks!
From jdrox@cox.net Fri Sep 6 13:32:53 2002
From: jdrox@cox.net (jdrox@cox.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:32:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209061332.g86DWrp20583@Ag.arizona.edu>
I have 2 questions:
#1] I'm transplanting a compas barrel cactus. Sometime after I moved it from its natural spot last December, it grew 2 knobby shape bumps near the top that are full of small ants and flies. Is this an indication that my cactus is diseased?
#2] where can I find information on building and irrigating a raised bed vegetable garden that will survive our desert environment?
From jerry@intrec.com Fri Sep 6 17:41:58 2002
From: jerry@intrec.com (Jerry Cline)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:41:58 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
In-Reply-To: <200209052311.g85NBgp16063@Ag.arizona.edu>
References: <200209052311.g85NBgp16063@Ag.arizona.edu>
Message-ID:
At 16:11 -0700 09/05/2002, jwmoneal@cox.net wrote:
> I want to plant a winter lawn, is there a way to do it with out
using all the manure that I see people use. I forget the grass I have
but itís the same stuff that they have at Bank One ballpark.
heh... the bad smell does not indicate that manure is a good thing :)
I suggest forgetting the smelly stuff unless you want to impress the
neighbors and have brown chunks `N chips on your lawn for awhile. :-)
While manure ads organics, it also ads salts (Sonoran soils don't
need added salts) and it of course also adds some nitrogen.
To fertilize lawns (and most plants in your yard) in the general
Phoenix area, buy the cheapest nitrogen fertilize you can find
(usually ammonium sulfate). The sulfuric acid makeup of ammonium
sulfate is good for our soil, it helps to break down the alkaline
base that complicates our growing problems -- double your pleasure
save money and the job is easier than hauling and spreading manure. :)
Here is a conservative consideration that allows you to add the
organics that can be a side benefit of manure. When mowing your lawn,
allow the clippings to fall back on the lawn. Not only do they add
the organics you may have added if you would have used the smelly
stuff, they add a large PLUS! Those clippings are adding back a
(insatiably needed) mulch base, and 3% nitrogen. The mulch breaks
down and is gone in a short time and then you mow and add more. Its
an optimum cycle.
Fact 1
The reason grass clippings can create a stink and even spontaneously
combust when closed off from air is because of their moisture,
organic makeup and relative high nitrogen content -- organisms thrive
in that environment, and so will your grass if you leave the
clippings lay.
Fact 2
Uhmmm -- think about it, the stuff being tossed in disposed
clippings is the stuff we go to the nursery for, to pay extra for, to
add back to our lawn so it will be healthy, be able to hold moisture
and grow green. After mowing, clippings dry out almost immediately,
and the grass grows quickly up and around them (because they create a
good and healthy growing environment). Bottom line: clippings add
value and are invisible almost immediately -- and we toss them? And
you do not have to haul those heavy bags of the good stuff to the
garbage? Think the process through!
Fact 3
When we bag clippings and toss them they become a major bulk item to
be added to the valley area landfills, where it creates unneeded
bulk, and volatile gases?
We can all benefit by understanding and working with the natural
process? We just need to understand more, and have more facts about
our real needs? We Master Gardeners hope to be able to assist with
that part, and with all our heart, we want to assist those who care
to be able to accomplish their wants and needs in the most natural,
and as it often turns out, the least expensive way possible.
If, when you mow, you get too much mulch in some areas and it does
not look good, give it a kick and spread it around, or pick up some
hand-fulls and sprinkle them in the more sparse areas -- spread the
wealth!
By the way.. the above applies to *ALL* lawns, not just winter grass
- happy gardening!
--
Jerry Cline
Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
From cbi64i@cox.net Fri Sep 6 21:31:17 2002
From: cbi64i@cox.net (cbi64i@cox.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:31:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209062131.g86LVHp28957@Ag.arizona.edu>
transplanted 2 queen palms that areapproximately 10-12 feet high 10 days ago.
used b1 in holes and have been watering daily. subsequently after 7 days i gave it another b1 treatment and soaked it into the ground. one of the palms is doing fine, the second one is showing signs of shock..the center stalk(heart) is turning brown..I have
checked with three nurseries and have gotten three different solutions to the problem..you are the experts so i'm going to ask, what should i do?
thanx, in advance
From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Fri Sep 6 23:19:09 2002
From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:19:09 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Queen Palms newly planted
Message-ID: <000e01c255fb$e372d0a0$8304e043@ibmbna6040>
If the root ball and the planting hole were soaked real well when your
Queens were planted and watered every other day for two weeks there after,
trees will usually survive our hot summer temps. Watering can then be
extended to every third day for two weeks, then every fourth day for two
weeks following the same schedule until you are watering once every 7 days
which should be followed for the rest of the summer.
I usually form a berm out about two to three feet from the trunk and fill
the space with 3 to 4 inches of mulch which will help to keep the roots cool
and cut down on the water loss.
It is not uncommon for the palms to go into shock after they are planted so
be sure they get adequate water.
Good luck.
Rod McKusick
Master Gardener
-----Original Message-----
From: cbi64i@cox.net
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Date: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>transplanted 2 queen palms that areapproximately 10-12 feet high 10 days
ago.
>used b1 in holes and have been watering daily. subsequently after 7 days i
gave it another b1 treatment and soaked it into the ground. one of the palms
is doing fine, the second one is showing signs of shock..the center
stalk(heart) is turning brown..I have
>checked with three nurseries and have gotten three different solutions to
the problem..you are the experts so i'm going to ask, what should i do?
>
>thanx, in advance
>
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From aliceknd@cox.net Fri Sep 6 23:20:36 2002
From: aliceknd@cox.net (aliceknd@cox.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:20:36 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209062320.g86NKap19837@Ag.arizona.edu>
I live in Mesa. I would like to plant some bulbs this fall.... daffodils and irises. I have heard that I must refrigerate them first for a few weeks. Is this true? I would appreciate any other planting tips... when, where, how deep, etc.
Thanks.
From jls4@alumni.cwru.edu Mon Sep 9 05:34:50 2002
From: jls4@alumni.cwru.edu (Jonathan Shaw)
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 22:34:50 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Found some large seeds (?) in my yard
Message-ID:
Today I was out in the yard digging a deep trench to run a PVC pipe from the
front yard side of the block wall to the back yard side of the wall. At
about 1.5 feet deep, I found maybe 10-20 of these things which I think are
seeds. I was just wondering if anyone could identify them (just for
curiosity's sake). Thanks!
http://users.cableaz.com/~sneakymoose/landscaping/SomeKindOfSeeds.jpg
I forgot to put something in the picture to get an idea of size... But I
would guess that these are a .25" x .25" x .125" or thereabouts. Also, I
blurred out the non-relevant areas of the picture to make the download much
smaller.
-Jonathan {;-)
jls4@alumni.cwru.edu
From Jane@Rasor.org Mon Sep 9 02:22:16 2002
From: Jane@Rasor.org (Jane@Rasor.org)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:22:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209090222.g892MGp23670@Ag.arizona.edu>
We've been in our house for almost 10 years. The house was 6 years old when we bought it. The original landscaping gave us a lot of privacy but the trees and plants weren't planted with the idea of what they would look like when they were mature. For example, in several spots along our wall we have bouganvillea but now the trees ares so tall that the bouganvillea never get any sun. Also many trees and plants are grouped to closely together and have overgrown their location. Our citrus need pruning badly and are becoming diseased. I think we need more help than a Master Gardener can give us but I don't know where to start. I have people who cut my lawn and trim the bushes but they aren't qualified. Where can I go for help? I need someone who knows about plants and landscaping. (I'm willing to pay.)
From Jane@Rasor.org Mon Sep 9 02:18:51 2002
From: Jane@Rasor.org (Jane@Rasor.org)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:18:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209090218.g892Ipp23374@Ag.arizona.edu>
We've been in our house for almost 10 years. The house was 6 years old when we bought it. The original landscaping gave us a lot of privacy but the trees and plants weren't planted with the idea of what they would look like when they were mature. For example, in several spots along our wall we have bouganvillea but now the trees ares so tall that the bouganvillea never get any sun. Also many trees and plants are grouped to closely together and have overgrown their location. Our citrus need pruning badly and are becoming diseased.
From kat621@cox.net Sun Sep 8 21:01:51 2002
From: kat621@cox.net (kat621@cox.net)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:01:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209082101.g88L1pp28952@Ag.arizona.edu>
when to plant quinoa in the phoenix area?
when to plant bergamot in the phoenix area?
thanks
From kads@qwest.net Sun Sep 8 20:41:18 2002
From: kads@qwest.net (kads@qwest.net)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:41:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209082041.g88KfIp27293@Ag.arizona.edu>
When is the best time to transplant a mature mexican bird of paradise plant? We have a large, established plant which is located in a spot which encroaches on a walkway. We never get to enjoy the full benefit of the plant blossoms, because we continually need to cut it back so it doesn't block the access. We want to move it into the middle of the yard where it can grow unobstructed.
From drew_linda@hotmail.com Sun Sep 8 18:01:01 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:01:01 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] re: Spectracide Weed & Grass Killer
Message-ID:
Spectracide is a brand name and their product line includes many
different products for controlling weeds, other plants, insect
pests and diseases. I assume you used their "Weed & Grass Killer".
It is similar to Roundup.
This is a contact poison (kills any plant whose foliage is sprayed).
It becomes inert once it enters the soil. It should not harm dormant
bulbs in the ground. Do not spray soil - this poison is only
effective on actively growing foliage.
Bermuda grass is persistent, so you probably want to continue to
water the area and reapply to bermuda grass as it sprouts to be
certain the area is free of bermuda grass.
Here is some specific information on Spectracide Weed & Grass Killer:
Spectracide Systemic Grass & Weed Killer2 is a non-selective herbicide
formulated to quickly kill grass & weeds down to the root -- in and around
patios, driveways, walkways and fences
* Fast? Works in 24 hours
* Effective? Systemic action kills the root
* Works only when it contacts foliage and is deactivated when it hits
the soil, making it ideal for use around flowers, shrubs and trees
* Treated areas can be replanted or reseeded in just 48 hours
* Apply on a sunny day when the temperature is above 60o F
* If it rains within 12 hours of application, retreatment may be
necessary
* Don't spray on desirable plants ? this product will kill them too.
Don't spray on windy days to avoid drift to desirable plants. Rinse them off
immediately if contact occurs.
* Read all product instructions before using
Ready to use contains: 0.18% Diquat Dibromide; 0.06% Fluazifop-p-butyl
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:12:16 -0700 (MST)
>From: lremiger@hotmail.com
>To: webmaster@Ag.arizona.edu
>Subject: Comment from the College site
>
>A new comment has been posted to the College general site
>
>Individual: Linda Remiger
>Email: lremiger@hotmail.com
>City: Edwardsville, State: IL
>Country: US
>Comment: I recently stared a search on how to remove Bermuda grass from my
>Fescue and alas, came to the conclusion I waould also lose the Fesuce
>intertwined with the Bermuda. This now done, my question would be, did I
>use the incorrect herbicide? I used Spectracide which said it would kill
>Bermuda in two days and then I could reseed. Because I wished to have time
>available for a reapplication I used this product rather than Roundup.
>Every site I have seen recommended Roundup. Have I killed the little bulbs
>with Spectracide. Do I need to hunt these down as I turn the ground over?
>Do I need to moisten the tilled ground with Spectracide or maybe Roundup.
>Your input is greatly appreciated. Linda Remiger
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From crudolphy@msn.com Sat Sep 7 03:48:29 2002
From: crudolphy@msn.com (crudolphy@msn.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:48:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209070348.g873mTp18124@Ag.arizona.edu>
I need to have some soil tested for possible chemical or contanminents. Do you offer testing and how can I obtain it? Thank you.
From drew_linda@hotmail.com Sat Sep 7 03:28:30 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 03:28:30 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] bulbs
Message-ID:
Tulips and hyacinths require chilling before planting here
in the desert, but it shouldn't be necessary for iris and
daffodils.
Publication 382 has the information you need. It no longer
seems to be available in the online listings of publications.
If you will send your mailing address to me (ldrew@ag.arizona.edu)
I will send you a print copy.
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From: aliceknd@cox.net
>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:20:36 -0700 (MST)
>
>I live in Mesa. I would like to plant some bulbs this fall.... daffodils
>and irises. I have heard that I must refrigerate them first for a few
>weeks. Is this true? I would appreciate any other planting tips... when,
>where, how deep, etc.
>
>Thanks.
>
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>Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu
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From tuckledin@cox.net Sat Sep 7 01:46:50 2002
From: tuckledin@cox.net (tuckledin@cox.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:46:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209070146.g871kop05918@Ag.arizona.edu>
Wanting to get rid of our summer bermuda/winter rye grass and go to all rock....
how do we go about killing off the grass to get ready to put in rock? we also have a colored concrete border around the grass which will have to be dug up?
Help...is this an easy project or should we keep the grass because it will be more work than we can even imagine?
From Alan.Zelhart@Motorola.com Mon Sep 9 15:39:44 2002
From: Alan.Zelhart@Motorola.com (Alan Zelhart)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 08:39:44 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] bulbs
References:
Message-ID: <3D7CC0C0.5F063152@Motorola.com>
Linda,
Is it a certain type of hyacinths that require chilling? Mine come back
and bloom every year without chilling. I am in Chandler. I want to
make sure, so that I don't buy that particular kind of hyacinth. Most
the ones I have, I have bought locally.
Thanks,
-----
Chat with you later...
-----
Alan Chandler, Arizona Sunset Zone: 13
http://www.GardenersCorner.com
***** In memory of those whose lives were stolen. September 11, 2001!
*****
-----
Hell was full, so I came back !
Linda Drew wrote:
>
> Tulips and hyacinths require chilling before planting here
> in the desert, but it shouldn't be necessary for iris and
> daffodils.
>
> Publication 382 has the information you need. It no longer
> seems to be available in the online listings of publications.
> If you will send your mailing address to me (ldrew@ag.arizona.edu)
> I will send you a print copy.
>
> Linda Drew
> Master Gardener
>
> >From: aliceknd@cox.net
> >To:
> >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
> >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:20:36 -0700 (MST)
> >
> >I live in Mesa. I would like to plant some bulbs this fall.... daffodils
> >and irises. I have heard that I must refrigerate them first for a few
> >weeks. Is this true? I would appreciate any other planting tips... when,
> >where, how deep, etc.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
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From GHillier@Intersil.com Mon Sep 9 17:03:03 2002
From: GHillier@Intersil.com (GHillier@Intersil.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:03:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209091703.g89H33I09526@Ag.arizona.edu>
How well does BOBSod actually perform in the shade? I have a lawn that is shaded by palm trees but gets ~4-5 hours of full sun each day in the summer. The EZ Turf that is currently planted there is in very bad shape.
From andra@dellago.com Mon Sep 9 18:41:49 2002
From: andra@dellago.com (Andra Frederick)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:41:49 -0500
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Watering Sego's
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much water. I have 4 large healthy ones that are now 4 years old - they
all came off of a big momma we have in the front yard. They all get direct
west sun in texas (which is very hot) and they do great. They also don't
get much water. You may want to read the following web site. It helped me
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From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Mon Sep 9 21:46:25 2002
From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:46:25 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Grass to desert landscaping
Message-ID: <002e01c2584a$6dd205e0$e804e043@ibmbna6040>
Killing the grass will be the easy part. An herbicide containing the
chemical Glyphosate ( one trade name is Roundup ) will do the job. The grass
must be watered and actively growing before applying Roundup, continue
watering for two to three weeks and apply a second application of Roundup.
This should kill any grass that was missed the first time. Removing the
concrete border and spreading the stone will be the hardest part of the job.
Do not put plastic under the stone.
Good luck.
Rod McKusick
Master Gardener
-----Original Message-----
From: tuckledin@cox.net
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Date: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:24 AM
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Wanting to get rid of our summer bermuda/winter rye grass and go to all
rock....
>
>how do we go about killing off the grass to get ready to put in rock? we
also have a colored concrete border around the grass which will have to be
dug up?
>
>Help...is this an easy project or should we keep the grass because it will
be more work than we can even imagine?
>
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From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Mon Sep 9 21:54:22 2002
From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:54:22 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Bob- Sod
Message-ID: <003701c2584b$762f5480$e804e043@ibmbna6040>
If the Easy Turf is not doing well because of the shade then the Bobsod will
not do much better since it also is bermuda grass.
Good luck.
Rod McKusick
Master Gardener
----Original Message-----
From: GHillier@Intersil.com
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Date: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:34 AM
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>How well does BOBSod actually perform in the shade? I have a lawn that is
shaded by palm trees but gets ~4-5 hours of full sun each day in the summer.
The EZ Turf that is currently planted there is in very bad shape.
>
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From drew_linda@hotmail.com Mon Sep 9 22:37:25 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:37:25 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] mature landscape
Message-ID:
You are very fortunate to have mature landscaping!
Plants, being living things, are constantly altering the
microclimate. This can cause work for you, and also an
opportunity to try some new things.
Trees are generally the anchor points of a landscape, so
if yours are healthy and they fit your needs, keep the trees
in place and work on a redesign. You might want to remove
the bougainvillea if is not getting enough sun now; or
alternatively you could remove the tree if you need more sun
year-round in that area.
Plants that were located too close together pose another problem.
You may want to select the plants you wish to keep in that area
and remove the others to give the chosen plants a better opportunity
to grow.
Citrus do best if they are not pruned, except to remove
deadwood, crossing branches and hazards (like growing into
power lines). If you do prune, be very careful to protect
the trunk and large branches from sunburn.
Think about how you want the landscape to look and the function
you want it to perform. THen start making changes to accomplish
your new vision.
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From: Jane@Rasor.org
>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:18:51 -0700 (MST)
>
>We've been in our house for almost 10 years. The house was 6 years old
>when we bought it. The original landscaping gave us a lot of privacy but
>the trees and plants weren't planted with the idea of what they would look
>like when they were mature. For example, in several spots along our wall
>we have bouganvillea but now the trees ares so tall that the bouganvillea
>never get any sun. Also many trees and plants are grouped to closely
>together and have overgrown their location. Our citrus need pruning badly
>and are becoming diseased.
>
>
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From drew_linda@hotmail.com Mon Sep 9 22:56:15 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:56:15 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] bermuda lawn, removing
Message-ID:
Removing an established lawn is an involved project with
a number of steps. See the following for detailed information:
http://www.scottnet.com/sawara/BermudaLawn.htm
The question is really why you want to remove the lawn and
then you can better answer whether or not it is worth the
work to do so.
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From: tuckledin@cox.net
>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:46:50 -0700 (MST)
>
>Wanting to get rid of our summer bermuda/winter rye grass and go to all
>rock....
>
>how do we go about killing off the grass to get ready to put in rock? we
>also have a colored concrete border around the grass which will have to be
>dug up?
>
>Help...is this an easy project or should we keep the grass because it will
>be more work than we can even imagine?
>
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From drew_linda@hotmail.com Mon Sep 9 23:06:02 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 23:06:02 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Mexican bird of paradise, transplanting
Message-ID:
It can be difficult to successfully transplant a large,
well-established shrub. This would probably be a good
time to attempt it, but you will need to use a two-stage
process. Call the Extension Center in Tucson (520) 626-5161
to request a handout. (I'm assuming you mean the bird of
paradise that has yellow flowers as opposed to the red bird
of paradise).
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From: kads@qwest.net
>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:41:18 -0700 (MST)
>
>When is the best time to transplant a mature mexican bird of paradise
>plant? We have a large, established plant which is located in a spot which
>encroaches on a walkway. We never get to enjoy the full benefit of the
>plant blossoms, because we continually need to cut it back so it doesn't
>block the access. We want to move it into the middle of the yard where it
>can grow unobstructed.
>
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From drew_linda@hotmail.com Mon Sep 9 22:49:49 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:49:49 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] bergamot and quinoa, herbs
Message-ID:
I have not grown either of these.
>From reference books, the bergamot (Monarda/beebalm/
Oswego tea) if frost sensitive and should probably
be started from seed in the spring. Cutting and division
could probably be done now.
Quinoa is closely related to amaranth so I would
guess it is a summer grower as well.
Try doing some searches on the web (I use google.com,
but you can use any search engine) for more information.
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From: kat621@cox.net
>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:01:51 -0700 (MST)
>
>when to plant quinoa in the phoenix area?
>when to plant bergamot in the phoenix area?
>thanks
>
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From spiritflight@kachina.net Tue Sep 10 04:58:51 2002
From: spiritflight@kachina.net (redrocklover)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:58:51 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] high desert edible landscaping
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From ASUsped@aol.com Tue Sep 10 03:28:57 2002
From: ASUsped@aol.com (ASUsped@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:28:57 EDT
Subject: [Arid_gardener] date palm trees
Message-ID: <4f.23312785.2aaec0f9@aol.com>
Hello everyone,
I have 2 date palm trees that were planted 12 years ago and doing fairly
well but the problem is that they were planted very close to each other. The
distance between them is about 6 feet only and when they were first planted
one was taller than the other. But now, they are the same height and the
fronds are into each other and have no room.
Is it possible for me to make one of them grow faster and become taller
than the other? I was thinking if i cut the fronds of one them and leave the
other one alone. That would make the one with the cut fronds grow faster than
the other.
What else can I do? I think this is another classic example when we plant
tree we forget what they gonna look in 10 years......;-) thank
you,,,,,Mike
From nelsonk@val-tech.com Tue Sep 10 02:07:09 2002
From: nelsonk@val-tech.com (nelsonk@val-tech.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:07:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209100207.g8A278I03491@Ag.arizona.edu>
How do you pick prickly pears (other than carefully, of course)
From sauncony@yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 01:09:12 2002
From: sauncony@yahoo.com (sauncony@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:09:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209100109.g8A19CI26922@Ag.arizona.edu>
Is it possible to grow Edamame (ediable soy bean) in Maricopa County?
From drew_linda@hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 00:48:49 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:48:49 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] help me identify this cucumber
Message-ID:
Lemon cucumber is an heirloom variety that produces small,
round yellow cucumbers.
Manduria is an Italian cucumber is also small, round and green.
THe West Indian gherkin is small, round and spiny; heirloom that
was grown at Monticello by Jefferson.
Any chance you were growing one of these? I haven't checked Native
Seed Search yet, but they may also have a round variety.
from the web: " But I did have the experience from planting cucumbers and
muskmelons next to each other of getting a very round cucumber." ??
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From: "Jonathan Kandell"
>Reply-To: "Jonathan Kandell"
>To: , "Organic Gardenling List"
>
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] help me ident5ify this cucumber
>Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 02:09:26 -0700
>
>Some stray cucumbers came up in my desert garden this year. I'd love to
>know what they are since they survived the hot tucson summer and still
>produced delicious fruit with almost no water! Unfortunately I have no
>idea where the seed came from (compost?) It's a funny looking cucumber,
>much shorter than the average (4"?) and much rounder. It has smooth skin
>with subtle ribs, no ribs. It looks almost like a ghord shape, or tear
>shaped, not at all like cucumbers I am used to. Any ideas? I thought it
>might just be overgrown pickling cucumbers, but they don't seem to ever get
>longer than 4".
>
>jk
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From drew_linda@hotmail.com Mon Sep 9 23:10:05 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 23:10:05 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] bulbs
Message-ID:
>From: Alan Zelhart
>Reply-To: Alan.Zelhart@motorola.com
>To: Linda Drew , arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
>Subject: Re: [Arid_gardener] bulbs
>Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 08:39:44 -0700
>
>Linda,
>
>Is it a certain type of hyacinths that require chilling? Mine come back
>and bloom every year without chilling. I am in Chandler. I want to
>make sure, so that I don't buy that particular kind of hyacinth. Most
>the ones I have, I have bought locally.
>
>Thanks,
>
>-----
>Chat with you later...
>-----
>Alan Chandler, Arizona Sunset Zone: 13
>
>http://www.GardenersCorner.com
>
> ***** In memory of those whose lives were stolen. September 11, 2001!
>*****
>-----
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>
>
>Linda Drew wrote:
> >
> > Tulips and hyacinths require chilling before planting here
> > in the desert, but it shouldn't be necessary for iris and
> > daffodils.
> >
> > Publication 382 has the information you need. It no longer
> > seems to be available in the online listings of publications.
> > If you will send your mailing address to me (ldrew@ag.arizona.edu)
> > I will send you a print copy.
> >
> > Linda Drew
> > Master Gardener
> >
> > >From: aliceknd@cox.net
> > >To:
> > >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
> > >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:20:36 -0700 (MST)
> > >
> > >I live in Mesa. I would like to plant some bulbs this fall....
>daffodils
> > >and irises. I have heard that I must refrigerate them first for a few
> > >weeks. Is this true? I would appreciate any other planting tips...
>when,
> > >where, how deep, etc.
> > >
> > >Thanks.
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I'm in Tucson. Grape hyacinth seem to do fairly well
here without chilling but I don't know about other types.
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From jerry@intrec.com Mon Sep 9 23:54:02 2002
From: jerry@intrec.com (Jerry Cline)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:54:02 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Grass to desert landscaping
In-Reply-To: <002e01c2584a$6dd205e0$e804e043@ibmbna6040>
References: <002e01c2584a$6dd205e0$e804e043@ibmbna6040>
Message-ID:
At 14:46 -0700 09/09/2002, wrote:
> Do not put plastic under the stone.
Please explain (provide some detail about) the above statement. I've
not seen that note before :)
Thank you
--
Jerry Cline
Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
From Alan.Zelhart@motorola.com Tue Sep 10 15:42:51 2002
From: Alan.Zelhart@motorola.com (Zelhart Alan-rpcs30)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:42:51 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Purple Orchid Tree
Message-ID: <37019C4D4EBED511A98100D0B7B99307032F427F@az33exm25.corp.mot.com>
I have a Purple Orchid Tree that seems to have declined in the last couple of years. In previous years it was loaded with beautiful green leaves. The last two years it's leaves have become fewer and fewer, yet the branches are pliable, and green. I give the tree good deep soakings once a month, so I do not think watering is the issue. When I deep water it, I live the water on a slow run for 3 -4 hours at a time.
I was told that it needed deep fertilization with probes to restore it back to a green lush tree. The price for doing this was $125. For one tree! Is there any other way that I myself can fertilize this tree and get it back on it's feet. My lawn is fertilized frequently, but the person who looked at the tree said the fertilizer never goes down to where the roots are. The Purple Orchid tree is a stunning tree, and if it takes $125 to get it back on its feet, that is what I'll do, but if there is a less expensive way, I'm all ears. Any suggestions?
--
Chat with you later...
-----
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***** In Memory of those who died on September 11, 2001 *****
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From mdilucido@toddassoc.com Tue Sep 10 16:21:08 2002
From: mdilucido@toddassoc.com (mdilucido@toddassoc.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:21:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209101621.g8AGL8I15969@Ag.arizona.edu>
I didn't get any response following my first post so I'll try again. Any help is appreciated. 1) I'd like to plant some fruiting olives (not "Swan Hill" variety) but have been told by local nurseries that it's against the law to sell them in Phoenix and Tucson owing to their prodigious production of pollen. Are there nurseries outside of these cities that sell them? If I live in Lake Havasu City can I plant them? I assume the ordinance restricting their installation is municipal and not by county or state? 2) Regarding carob trees: I understand that I need both male and female trees to produce fruit. I want to locate the female close by and the male farther away because of its objectionable odor. My question is, if I plant only one of each how far away can the male tree be and still be able to pollinate the female? The farthest distance would be approximately 150'. Thanks again for for your help.
From itharris@cox.net Tue Sep 10 16:24:34 2002
From: itharris@cox.net (itharris@cox.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:24:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209101624.g8AGOYI16742@Ag.arizona.edu>
My Hibicus are dieing. They are all 1year about 3-4 feet tall & were healthy two weeks ago, then started to get pale & lose all color from the top leaves. The leaves on the bottom are still green & healthy. No outward sign of bugs. I have lost 1 already & the secound is going fast.
HELP.....
ith
From jerry@intrec.com Tue Sep 10 16:30:33 2002
From: jerry@intrec.com (Jerry Cline)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:30:33 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] date palm trees
In-Reply-To: <4f.23312785.2aaec0f9@aol.com>
References: <4f.23312785.2aaec0f9@aol.com>
Message-ID:
At 23:28 -0400 09/09/2002, ASUsped@aol.com wrote:
> I have 2 date palm trees that were planted 12 years ago and doing fairly
> well but the problem is that they were planted very close to each other. The
> distance between them is about 6 feet only and when they were first planted
> one was taller than the other. But now, they are the same height and the
> fronds are into each other and have no room.
We also have two (female) date palms that were planted exactly 72"
apart about 34+ years ago, as they grew and the fonds touched, and
the palms, considering the centers of the trunks, each gradually
moved away from the other (as palms do when planted closely). The
trees are now about 23 feet tall and the tops are a nominal 14 feet
apart and still slightly touching. We like the look, they're a
"matched set" its very natural. If we were to plant them again today,
we wouldn't change a thing.
Also, we only remove fronds when they have died and can be pulled
off, and we eschew anyone wanting to trim our date palms. The pair
makes a wonderful canopy for our back yard. :)
--
Jerry Cline
Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
From drew_linda@hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 19:08:14 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:08:14 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] olive trees, carob trees
Message-ID:
Sorry you did not get a response the first time.
* Planting of Olive trees (excluding the Swan Hill and Wilson varieties)
and Mulberry trees is illegal in Pima County.
I live in Tucson, and I assume Maricopa has a similar ordinance.
Because they are illegal to plant, nurseries in the county do
not stock olive, except for the Swan Hill and Wilson varieties.
I believe Lake Havasu is in Mohave County, so you would need to
contact that county office directly for olive ordinances in that
county:
Mohave County
Cooperative Extension
101 E. Beale Street, Suite A
Kingman, AZ 86401-5827
Phone: (928) 753-3788
Fax: (928) 753-1665
Conference Calls Only:
(928) 753-5488
mohavece@ag.arizona.edu
I do not know how carob is pollinated, but I would suspect
insect pollination since it is listed as a tree with low
production of wind-borne pollen. In that case, 150 feet
should be fine for pollination.
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From: mdilucido@toddassoc.com
>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:21:08 -0700 (MST)
>
>I didn't get any response following my first post so I'll try again. Any
>help is appreciated. 1) I'd like to plant some fruiting olives (not "Swan
>Hill" variety) but have been told by local nurseries that it's against the
>law to sell them in Phoenix and Tucson owing to their prodigious production
>of pollen. Are there nurseries outside of these cities that sell them? If I
>live in Lake Havasu City can I plant them? I assume the ordinance
>restricting their installation is municipal and not by county or state? 2)
>Regarding carob trees: I understand that I need both male and female trees
>to produce fruit. I want to locate the female close by and the male farther
>away because of its objectionable odor. My question is, if I plant only one
>of each how far away can the male tree be and still be able to pollinate
>the female? The farthest distance would be approximately 150'. Thanks
>again for for your help.
>
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From kasko@teneyckla.com Tue Sep 10 18:49:08 2002
From: kasko@teneyckla.com (kasko@teneyckla.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:49:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209101849.g8AIn8I20992@Ag.arizona.edu>
What is the result of a pecan tree if it has had the central leader cut back/or pruned in a v type shape?
Will it affect the growth, health of the tree or just the nut production?
From drew_linda@hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 18:38:02 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:38:02 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] prickly pear fruit
Message-ID:
I use kitchen tongs....
>From: nelsonk@val-tech.com
>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:07:09 -0700 (MST)
>
>How do you pick prickly pears (other than carefully, of course)
>
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From bchorner@mindspring.com Tue Sep 10 17:53:33 2002
From: bchorner@mindspring.com (bchorner@mindspring.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:53:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209101753.g8AHrXI06678@Ag.arizona.edu>
Plan to get an ocotillo, approx. 8 foot, bare root. How should I water (how much) it at the beginning; how to water the first year and than how to water there-after? Also, how deep a hole and what type of soil?
From drew_linda@hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 18:33:03 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:33:03 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] hibiscus, yellowing and dying
Message-ID:
I suggest you check two things first -- water and nutrients.
Overwatering can cause overall "paling" of a plant and eventually
death. Check that plants are getting appropriate water (if
outside, you can decrease watering frequency if you are getting
regular rains). If in containers, check that the drainage holes
are not clogged or the plants are not standing in water (use
a saucer and dump excess water; use plant 'feet' to lift the
pot).
An iron deficiency will show yellowing in the new growth
(veins remain green). Check when you last fertilized and
check that the fertilizer contained micronutrients in
addition to nitrogen-phosphorus-potassium. Miracid is a
soluble fertilizer that might woek for you; I've also used
citrus foot and palm food in a pinch because they contain
micronutrients.
Linda Drew
Maaster Gardener
>From: itharris@cox.net
>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:24:34 -0700 (MST)
>
>My Hibicus are dieing. They are all 1year about 3-4 feet tall & were
>healthy two weeks ago, then started to get pale & lose all color from the
>top leaves. The leaves on the bottom are still green & healthy. No
>outward sign of bugs. I have lost 1 already & the secound is going fast.
>HELP.....
>
>ith
>
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From drew_linda@hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 19:56:53 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:56:53 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] pecan tree, pruning
Message-ID:
I would think cutting out the leader (topping the tree) would
not be good for the health of the tree. Do you know why this
action was taken?
from Cooperative Extension Bulletin A63R:
If the trees have been properly trained in the first year of growth
in the orchard or home planting site, no further pruning is necessary
on most varieties except to remove broken or dead limbs.
Such limbs should be cut back to the main scaffold limb or trunk
and pruned to the collar. Don't cut flush with the trunk and don't
leave a stub.
After the tees have started to bear fruit, some doremant season
tipping of 1 year-old shoots may be done to stimulate additional
side branching and new fruiting shoots. One to 2 inches of only
the most vigorous upright shoots should be tipped.
The central leader and less vigorous horizontal branches should
not be tipped.
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
l
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>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:49:08 -0700 (MST)
>
>What is the result of a pecan tree if it has had the central leader cut
>back/or pruned in a v type shape?
>
>Will it affect the growth, health of the tree or just the nut production?
>
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From Chris_Nichols@Dell.com Tue Sep 10 19:49:53 2002
From: Chris_Nichols@Dell.com (Chris_Nichols@Dell.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:49:53 -0500
Subject: [Arid_gardener] prickly pear fruit
Message-ID: <0E3AD69FD4E1F24CAAF5FA798450C2C306EF5E@AUSXMPS304.aus.amer.dell.com>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda Drew [mailto:drew_linda@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:38 PM
> To: nelsonk@val-tech.com; arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
> Subject: Re: [Arid_gardener] prickly pear fruit
>
>
>
> I use kitchen tongs....
How do you peel/skin them?
Thanks,
Chris
>
> >From: nelsonk@val-tech.com
> >To:
> >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
> >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:07:09 -0700 (MST)
> >
> >How do you pick prickly pears (other than carefully, of course)
> >
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From drew_linda@hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 20:15:03 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:15:03 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] ocotillo, bareroot planting
Message-ID:
If you can, check out Mary Irish's book, "Gardening in the Desert",
at your local libary.
Chapter 11 suggests very careful selection at the nursery. Check
for pliable canes that show some green and as large a root system
as possible. Also demand to see the tag to verify that the plant
was dug legally.
Break up native soil just to depth of root ball and 4-5 times
as wide. Plant the ocotillo and backfill with native soil. (Some
suggest trimming any broken roots and dusting with soil sulfur).
Make sure there is good drainage before planting. Ocotillo requires
steady regular water to become established after transplanting.
Water 2-3 times per month during the first summer.
It may take a year or longer before the transplanted ocotillo
produces its first leaves.
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From: bchorner@mindspring.com
>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:53:33 -0700 (MST)
>
>Plan to get an ocotillo, approx. 8 foot, bare root. How should I water
>(how much) it at the beginning; how to water the first year and than how to
>water there-after? Also, how deep a hole and what type of soil?
>
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From sales@AnchoragePrinting.com Tue Sep 10 20:02:14 2002
From: sales@AnchoragePrinting.com (Sales-Anchorage Printing)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:02:14 -0800
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: [AG] Mushrooms
Message-ID:
I have many mushrooms growing in my front yard how do I get rid of them and
what causes them to grow?
From drew_linda@hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 19:43:00 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:43:00 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] high desert edible landscaping
Message-ID:
Lake Montezuma is in Yavapai County. Looking at the map,
I think you are in Sunset Climate Zone 10 -- a zone that
favors deciduous fruit trees and colder winters call for
spring planting (rather than Tucson and Phoenix fall
planting).
Check Yavapai County web page for lots of information:
http://ag.arizona.edu/yavapai/
For a listing of landscape plants:
http://ag.arizona.edu/yavapai/anr/hort/xeriscape/
Cooperative Extension Bulletin Q365 lists deciduous fruit
varieties for your area -- ask the Yavapai Cooperative Extension
Agent for a copy. It includes apples, plums, grapes, raspberries,
peaches, pears, apricots, cherries, strawberries, currants,
and gooseberries. The bulletin lists specific varieties.
Blueberries usually don't grow well in Arizona because they
need a more acidic soil; I don't know if the kiwi will handle
the cold in winter.
The vegetables sound good from spring/summer planting. Again,
check with the Yavapai Office for specific varieties.
Arizona Cooperative Extension
Yavapai County
P.O. Box 388
500 S. Marina St.
Prescott, AZ 86302
(520) 445-6590
Have fun. It sounds like a wonderful place to garden!
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From: "redrocklover"
>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] high desert edible landscaping
>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:58:51 -0700
>
>Hello everyone :)
>
>My wife and I just bought a house in Lake Montezuma, AZ. We would like to
>do a vegetable garden and fruit trees, but aren't sure of the best way to
>shop for and select the proper plant stock for our area. Peaches,
>blueberries, strawberries, cherries and kiwi are the fruits of choice.
>Tomatoes, snap peas, green beans, and yellow squash are the choice veggies.
>Any suggestions on varieties and sources?
>
>Matthew & Linda
>spiritflight@kachina.net
>
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From ASUsped@aol.com Tue Sep 10 20:40:22 2002
From: ASUsped@aol.com (ASUsped@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:40:22 EDT
Subject: [Arid_gardener] thank youJerry..date plam trees
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Thank you for responding to me, Jerry. I would like to know if other
members of the list observed the same where the date palm trees just grew
away from each other. Since they were planted 12 years ago ,I need to wait
another 22 years....LOL
How do you if the palm tree is female or male? I have 3 palm trees and
they all produce dates but with no seeds and really not that tasty at all. I
am originally from Saudi Arabia and I remember the dates back were very
delicious.
Can someone recommend me to a specialist on date palms. I'd like my
date palms to produce good dates and I don't know how. Most of the people in
the yellow pages are for queen palms problems not date palms.....thank
you....Mike
In a message dated 9/10/2002 10:12:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
jerry@intrec.com writes:
> We also have two (female) date palms that were planted exactly 72"
> apart about 34+ years ago, as they grew and the fonds touched, and
> the palms, considering the centers of the trunks, each gradually
> moved away from the other (as palms do when planted closely). The
> trees are now about 23 feet tall and the tops are a nominal 14 feet
> apart and still slightly touching. We like the look, they're a
> "matched set" its very natural. If we were to plant them again today,
> we wouldn't change a thing.
>
> Also, we only remove fronds when they have died and can be pulled
> off, and we eschew anyone wanting to trim our date palms. The pair
> makes a wonderful canopy for our back yard. :)
>
> --
> Jerry Cline
> Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
> The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
>
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Thank you for responding to me, Jerry. I would like to know if other members of the list observed the same where the date palm trees just grew away from each other. Since they were planted 12 years ago ,I need to wait another 22 years....LOL
How do you if the palm tree is female or male? I have 3 palm trees and they all produce dates but with no seeds and really not that tasty at all. I am originally from Saudi Arabia and I remember the dates back were very delicious.
Can someone recommend me to a specialist on date palms. I'd like my date palms to produce good dates and I don't know how. Most of the people in the yellow pages are for queen palms problems not date palms.....thank you....Mike
In a message dated 9/10/2002 10:12:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time, jerry@intrec.com writes:
We also have two (female) date palms that were planted exactly 72"
apart about 34+ years ago, as they grew and the fonds touched, and
the palms, considering the centers of the trunks, each gradually
moved away from the other (as palms do when planted closely). The
trees are now about 23 feet tall and the tops are a nominal 14 feet
apart and still slightly touching. We like the look, they're a
"matched set" its very natural. If we were to plant them again today,
we wouldn't change a thing.
Also, we only remove fronds when they have died and can be pulled
off, and we eschew anyone wanting to trim our date palms. The pair
makes a wonderful canopy for our back yard. :)
--
Jerry Cline <jerry@intrec.com>
Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
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From jerry@intrec.com Tue Sep 10 21:28:20 2002
From: jerry@intrec.com (Jerry Cline)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:28:20 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: [AG] Mushrooms
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
At 12:02 -0800 09/10/2002, Sales-Anchorage Printing wrote:
> I have many mushrooms growing in my front yard how do I get rid of them and
> what causes them to grow?
Do they grow outward in an expanding ring from a central point, or just random?
In general over watering can create ideal mushroom growing
conditions. Also any dead or decaying organic matter such as old
roots or other woody items can encourage growth, especially if
conditions are on the damp side.
--
Jerry Cline
Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
From jerry@intrec.com Tue Sep 10 22:10:06 2002
From: jerry@intrec.com (Jerry Cline)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:10:06 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] thank youJerry..date plam trees
In-Reply-To: <14b.13d0b8a0.2aafb2b6@aol.com>
References: <14b.13d0b8a0.2aafb2b6@aol.com>
Message-ID:
At 16:40 -0400 09/10/2002, ASUsped@aol.com wrote:
> Thank you for responding to me, Jerry. I would like to know if other
> members of the list observed the same where the date palm trees just
> grew away from each other. Since they were planted 12 years ago ,I
> need to wait another 22 years....LOL
They do grow away from each other, that is a palm survival technique.
From now on when you see any kind of palm group in close plantings,
you're going to notice the trees leaning away from each other.
> How do you if the palm tree is female or male? I have 3 palm trees and
> they all produce dates but with no seeds and really not that tasty at
> all. I am originally from Saudi Arabia and I remember the dates back
> were very delicious.
Females are capable of fruiting, but unless fertilized with with the
pollen from a male tree, they are usually seedless and pithy.
Walk around your neighborhood next spring when your dates just begin
to develop their spathes (the sheath containing the potential fruit)
and look at other date trees. You will see that some date trees show
a different style spathe and when it opens it has a proliferation of
yellow fine powder (with sort of a 'sexy" odor when smelled closely
:). You place that powder on cotton balls, dust your date blossoms,
loosely tie the strings of blossoms into bundles with a couple of
cotton balls inside. Use slip knots so they can expand as they grow,
then comes the protection from everything that can ruin them.
Heh.. you could say, you're performing a "dateing service!" chortle...
There is a jokeline that goes with the above, but I'll not repeat it here :-)
You can buy date pollen at some of the larger nurseries in the spring.
You can order procedural papers from the Maricopa Extension office
with instructions on how to proceed from there. The first thing
you'll find is that raising dates, collecting the pollen spathes,
introducing the pollen to your fruiting spathes, then protecting the
delicacies you've created from moisture, birds and bugs is a whole
lot like work. Fun, but arduous.
Also, in my case, as noted, I do NOT like to trim the canopy, so
getting in among the zillions of hypodermic needles on the base of
the fronds, is really painful, and even dangerous. I finally just
figured it was not worth the trouble and let the birds and bugs have
them.
> Can someone recommend me to a specialist on date palms. I'd like my
> date palms to produce good dates and I don't know how. Most of the
> people in the yellow pages are for queen palms problems not date
> palms.
There are several. One I know of is really good, and like me a sort
of "retired Master Gardner," grows dates over by Queen Creek. He
imported Madjool (sp?) date trees from California (Madjooles are huge
and wonderful - like candy bars!). I don't think he gets involved at
the public level like this, but he is an information fount. His name
is Michael Kuzmik, a long time friend - we were both in the
beekeeping business in the 1980's.
But also check the Maricopa Co-op literature sources. They have some
really good material on date raising (at least the collection of
stuff I got from there in the late 1980's is an awesome collection!
Those materials may even be online now, someone else will have to
answer that question.
Best regards and happy dateing! :)
--
Jerry Cline
Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
From jerry@intrec.com Tue Sep 10 21:23:43 2002
From: jerry@intrec.com (Jerry Cline)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:23:43 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] prickly pear fruit
In-Reply-To: <0E3AD69FD4E1F24CAAF5FA798450C2C306EF5E@AUSXMPS304.aus.amer.dell.com>
References: <0E3AD69FD4E1F24CAAF5FA798450C2C306EF5E@AUSXMPS304.aus.amer.dell.com>
Message-ID:
At 14:49 -0500 09/10/2002, Chris_Nichols@dell.com wrote:
> > I use kitchen tongs....
>
> How do you peel/skin them?
A recent documentary on KUET TV Phx shows Mexicans handling them with
bare hands, but I would kitchen tongs as well. It also shows them
handling the pads much like fish, and they were, in effect
"filleting" the cactus pads. They used a cutting board, and they
slipped a narrow a narrow/thin fillet style knife under the skin,
flipped the skin off, turned the pad, and grabbed another, repeating
the process in high speed. They churned through the the stack of pads
like oyster schuckers in a local contest.
They eat and sell the product raw, canned and bottled. They speak
highly of the attributes of the cactus flesh. I've never tried it,
but we have a HUGE smooth pear cactus on the point of our property,
and I'm tempted. It is prolific, we have to trim it often, and we
haul hundreds of pounds per year to the compost. :-)
--
Jerry Cline
Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
From Barbara@customscientific.com Tue Sep 10 23:18:48 2002
From: Barbara@customscientific.com (Barbara Marcus)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:18:48 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] (no subject)
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From imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net Wed Sep 11 06:09:09 2002
From: imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net (olin)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:09:09 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: Edible Soy Beans
References: <200209100109.g8A19CI26922@Ag.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <012601c25959$e2889b00$6d53530c@delljor9501>
----- Original Message ----- From:
> Is it possible to grow Edamame (ediable soy bean) in Maricopa County?
Yes. Plant late March to mid April after the soil warms. -Olin
From rarmstrongsprint01@earthlink.net Wed Sep 11 13:47:51 2002
From: rarmstrongsprint01@earthlink.net (rarmstrongsprint01@earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:47:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209111347.g8BDloI24907@Ag.arizona.edu>
I have (had) some ground cover that was lost this year due to a malfunction of the drip while we were on vacation. I would like to replace them but I don't know what they are called. They are low growing(approx 12-18 inches) with bright yellow flowers that bloom in the evening. The leaves are narrow and long. The plant sends out long shoots that attatch to the ground. I hope someone recognises this plant from my (garbled) discription. Thanks, Rebecca
From laurab2@cox.net Wed Sep 11 17:36:04 2002
From: laurab2@cox.net (laurab2@cox.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:36:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209111736.g8BHa4I06280@Ag.arizona.edu>
Do you have a plan for making a garden waterfall?
From alf066s@smsu.edu Wed Sep 11 17:16:55 2002
From: alf066s@smsu.edu (Amy Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:16:55 -0500
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Community Garden Information
Message-ID: <3D802451@caliber>
Could you please send me information and an application about your community
garden program.
Thanks,
Amy Ferguson
615 N. Glenstone
Springfield, MO 65802
From drew_linda@hotmail.com Wed Sep 11 18:50:04 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:50:04 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Community Garden Information
Message-ID:
In Tucson, check the web page for information and agrements:
http://www.communitygardensoftucson.org/
In Phoenix, find information at:
http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/comunity/comunity.htm
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From: Amy Ferguson
>To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu, cac@cacscw.org, clmanthey@smfb.org,
>dirt@dug.org, ecramer@dehort.org, gjmitche@ucdavis.edu,
>kbeisner@tivoli.com, letsgrow@srv.net, soleilpaz@aol.com,
>soquinn@littlerock.state.ar.us
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Community Garden Information
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:16:55 -0500
>
>Could you please send me information and an application about your
>community
>garden program.
>
>Thanks,
>Amy Ferguson
>615 N. Glenstone
>Springfield, MO 65802
>
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From drew_linda@hotmail.com Wed Sep 11 18:10:51 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:10:51 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] hibiscus, yellowing and dying
Message-ID:
The following web site lists labs that do soil testing:
http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/general/soiltest.htm
Tests can be expensive and you need to know what you want them
to test for -- heavy metals, specific herbicides, etc. You
probably will want to call several before making a decision.
You may want to check for grubs in the soil, too. Crubs can eat
roots, but usually the symptoms you will see are general wilting.
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From:
>To: "Linda Drew"
>Subject: Re: Re: [Arid_gardener] hibiscus, yellowing and dying
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:28:31 -0400
>
>
> > Dear Linda,
>
>Thanks for your replay. However I know that over watering is not the
>problem. Lack of the proper nutrients may be, althought my gut says there
>is somthing else going on, these were very healthy plants two weeks ago.
>Please tell me were I can get the soil tested.
>Thanks
>ith
> > From: "Linda Drew"
> > Date: 2002/09/10 Tue PM 02:33:03 EDT
> > To: itharris@cox.net, arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Arid_gardener] hibiscus, yellowing and dying
> >
> >
> > I suggest you check two things first -- water and nutrients.
> >
> > Overwatering can cause overall "paling" of a plant and eventually
> > death. Check that plants are getting appropriate water (if
> > outside, you can decrease watering frequency if you are getting
> > regular rains). If in containers, check that the drainage holes
> > are not clogged or the plants are not standing in water (use
> > a saucer and dump excess water; use plant 'feet' to lift the
> > pot).
> >
> > An iron deficiency will show yellowing in the new growth
> > (veins remain green). Check when you last fertilized and
> > check that the fertilizer contained micronutrients in
> > addition to nitrogen-phosphorus-potassium. Miracid is a
> > soluble fertilizer that might woek for you; I've also used
> > citrus foot and palm food in a pinch because they contain
> > micronutrients.
> >
> > Linda Drew
> > Maaster Gardener
> >
> > >From: itharris@cox.net
> > >To:
> > >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
> > >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:24:34 -0700 (MST)
> > >
> > >My Hibicus are dieing. They are all 1year about 3-4 feet tall & were
> > >healthy two weeks ago, then started to get pale & lose all color from
>the
> > >top leaves. The leaves on the bottom are still green & healthy. No
> > >outward sign of bugs. I have lost 1 already & the secound is going
>fast.
> > >HELP.....
> > >
> > >ith
> > >
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From drew_linda@hotmail.com Wed Sep 11 18:17:18 2002
From: drew_linda@hotmail.com (Linda Drew)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:17:18 +0000
Subject: [Arid_gardener] plant ID, primrose
Message-ID:
The plant you describe could be sundrops
(Oenthera fruticosa). Could also be Ozark
sundrops (O. macrocarpa) or Saltillo evening
primrose (O. stubbei).
Linda Drew
Master Gardener
>From: rarmstrongsprint01@earthlink.net
>To:
>Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:47:51 -0700 (MST)
>
>I have (had) some ground cover that was lost this year due to a malfunction
>of the drip while we were on vacation. I would like to replace them but I
>don't know what they are called. They are low growing(approx 12-18 inches)
>with bright yellow flowers that bloom in the evening. The leaves are narrow
>and long. The plant sends out long shoots that attatch to the ground. I
>hope someone recognises this plant from my (garbled) discription. Thanks,
>Rebecca
>
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From a.anthonyandsons@cox.net Thu Sep 12 15:42:55 2002
From: a.anthonyandsons@cox.net (a.anthonyandsons@cox.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:42:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209121542.g8CFgtI18360@Ag.arizona.edu>
I have and elderica tree that is 6 years old. for the last two years the tree has been getting thinner and the branches are drooping. i'm losing more and more needles. what is causing this? what can i do to prevent the tree from dieing?
From a.anthonyandsons@cox.net Thu Sep 12 15:40:14 2002
From: a.anthonyandsons@cox.net (a.anthonyandsons@cox.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:40:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209121540.g8CFeEI17827@Ag.arizona.edu>
I have a ficus (natida)tree that is about 6 years old. the trunk is splitting in several areas. what is causing this and what can i do prevent the tree from dieing?
From Wayne_Hanne@email.msn.com Thu Sep 12 14:07:59 2002
From: Wayne_Hanne@email.msn.com (Wayne_Hanne)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:07:59 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Octillo
References: <200209102330.g8ANUQI26226@Ag.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <001901c25a65$cea65840$a56ad3c6@acerpower6928>
Sirs:
I have been deep watering my Ocotillo each month for approximately 45
minutes. However it does not bloom as other do in the neighborhood. After
the rains came this past week the stalks are not covered with leaves. What
can be done to have the leaves covering during the summer months
Wayne Mangold
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> 1. Question from Home-Hort WWW page (kasko@teneyckla.com)
> 2. Re: prickly pear fruit (Linda Drew)
> 3. Question from Home-Hort WWW page (bchorner@mindspring.com)
> 4. Re: hibiscus, yellowing and dying (Linda Drew)
> 5. Re: pecan tree, pruning (Linda Drew)
> 6. RE: prickly pear fruit (Chris_Nichols@Dell.com)
> 7. Re: ocotillo, bareroot planting (Linda Drew)
> 8. Re: [AG] Mushrooms (Sales-Anchorage Printing)
> 9. Re: high desert edible landscaping (Linda Drew)
> 10. thank youJerry..date plam trees (ASUsped@aol.com)
> 11. Re: [AG] Mushrooms (Jerry Cline)
> 12. Re: thank youJerry..date plam trees (Jerry Cline)
> 13. RE: prickly pear fruit (Jerry Cline)
> 14. (no subject) (Barbara Marcus)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:49:08 -0700 (MST)
> To:
> From: kasko@teneyckla.com
> Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>
> What is the result of a pecan tree if it has had the central leader cut
back/or pruned in a v type shape?
>
> Will it affect the growth, health of the tree or just the nut production?
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: "Linda Drew"
> To: nelsonk@val-tech.com, arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
> Subject: Re: [Arid_gardener] prickly pear fruit
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:38:02 +0000
>
>
> I use kitchen tongs....
>
> >From: nelsonk@val-tech.com
> >To:
> >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
> >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:07:09 -0700 (MST)
> >
> >How do you pick prickly pears (other than carefully, of course)
> >
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> From: bchorner@mindspring.com
> Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>
> Plan to get an ocotillo, approx. 8 foot, bare root. How should I water
(how much) it at the beginning; how to water the first year and than how to
water there-after? Also, how deep a hole and what type of soil?
>
>
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> Message: 4
> From: "Linda Drew"
> To: itharris@cox.net, arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
> Subject: Re: [Arid_gardener] hibiscus, yellowing and dying
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:33:03 +0000
>
>
> I suggest you check two things first -- water and nutrients.
>
> Overwatering can cause overall "paling" of a plant and eventually
> death. Check that plants are getting appropriate water (if
> outside, you can decrease watering frequency if you are getting
> regular rains). If in containers, check that the drainage holes
> are not clogged or the plants are not standing in water (use
> a saucer and dump excess water; use plant 'feet' to lift the
> pot).
>
> An iron deficiency will show yellowing in the new growth
> (veins remain green). Check when you last fertilized and
> check that the fertilizer contained micronutrients in
> addition to nitrogen-phosphorus-potassium. Miracid is a
> soluble fertilizer that might woek for you; I've also used
> citrus foot and palm food in a pinch because they contain
> micronutrients.
>
> Linda Drew
> Maaster Gardener
>
> >From: itharris@cox.net
> >To:
> >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
> >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:24:34 -0700 (MST)
> >
> >My Hibicus are dieing. They are all 1year about 3-4 feet tall & were
> >healthy two weeks ago, then started to get pale & lose all color from the
> >top leaves. The leaves on the bottom are still green & healthy. No
> >outward sign of bugs. I have lost 1 already & the secound is going fast.
> >HELP.....
> >
> >ith
> >
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> Message: 5
> From: "Linda Drew"
> To: kasko@teneyckla.com, arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
> Subject: Re: [Arid_gardener] pecan tree, pruning
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:56:53 +0000
>
> I would think cutting out the leader (topping the tree) would
> not be good for the health of the tree. Do you know why this
> action was taken?
>
> from Cooperative Extension Bulletin A63R:
>
> If the trees have been properly trained in the first year of growth
> in the orchard or home planting site, no further pruning is necessary
> on most varieties except to remove broken or dead limbs.
>
> Such limbs should be cut back to the main scaffold limb or trunk
> and pruned to the collar. Don't cut flush with the trunk and don't
> leave a stub.
>
> After the tees have started to bear fruit, some doremant season
> tipping of 1 year-old shoots may be done to stimulate additional
> side branching and new fruiting shoots. One to 2 inches of only
> the most vigorous upright shoots should be tipped.
>
> The central leader and less vigorous horizontal branches should
> not be tipped.
>
> Linda Drew
> Master Gardener
> l
>
>
> >From: kasko@teneyckla.com
> >To:
> >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
> >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:49:08 -0700 (MST)
> >
> >What is the result of a pecan tree if it has had the central leader cut
> >back/or pruned in a v type shape?
> >
> >Will it affect the growth, health of the tree or just the nut production?
> >
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> Message: 6
> From: Chris_Nichols@Dell.com
> To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
> Subject: RE: [Arid_gardener] prickly pear fruit
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:49:53 -0500
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Linda Drew [mailto:drew_linda@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:38 PM
> > To: nelsonk@val-tech.com; arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Arid_gardener] prickly pear fruit
> >
> >
> >
> > I use kitchen tongs....
>
> How do you peel/skin them?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > >From: nelsonk@val-tech.com
> > >To:
> > >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
> > >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:07:09 -0700 (MST)
> > >
> > >How do you pick prickly pears (other than carefully, of course)
> > >
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> >
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> Message: 7
> From: "Linda Drew"
> To: bchorner@mindspring.com, arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
> Subject: Re: [Arid_gardener] ocotillo, bareroot planting
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:15:03 +0000
>
> If you can, check out Mary Irish's book, "Gardening in the Desert",
> at your local libary.
>
> Chapter 11 suggests very careful selection at the nursery. Check
> for pliable canes that show some green and as large a root system
> as possible. Also demand to see the tag to verify that the plant
> was dug legally.
>
> Break up native soil just to depth of root ball and 4-5 times
> as wide. Plant the ocotillo and backfill with native soil. (Some
> suggest trimming any broken roots and dusting with soil sulfur).
> Make sure there is good drainage before planting. Ocotillo requires
> steady regular water to become established after transplanting.
> Water 2-3 times per month during the first summer.
>
> It may take a year or longer before the transplanted ocotillo
> produces its first leaves.
>
> Linda Drew
> Master Gardener
>
>
> >From: bchorner@mindspring.com
> >To:
> >Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
> >Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:53:33 -0700 (MST)
> >
> >Plan to get an ocotillo, approx. 8 foot, bare root. How should I water
> >(how much) it at the beginning; how to water the first year and than how
to
> >water there-after? Also, how deep a hole and what type of soil?
> >
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> Message: 8
> From: Sales-Anchorage Printing
> To: "'arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu'"
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:02:14 -0800
> Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: [AG] Mushrooms
>
> I have many mushrooms growing in my front yard how do I get rid of them
and
> what causes them to grow?
>
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> Message: 9
> From: "Linda Drew"
> To: spiritflight@kachina.net, arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
> Subject: Re: [Arid_gardener] high desert edible landscaping
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:43:00 +0000
>
>
> Lake Montezuma is in Yavapai County. Looking at the map,
> I think you are in Sunset Climate Zone 10 -- a zone that
> favors deciduous fruit trees and colder winters call for
> spring planting (rather than Tucson and Phoenix fall
> planting).
>
> Check Yavapai County web page for lots of information:
> http://ag.arizona.edu/yavapai/
>
> For a listing of landscape plants:
> http://ag.arizona.edu/yavapai/anr/hort/xeriscape/
>
> Cooperative Extension Bulletin Q365 lists deciduous fruit
> varieties for your area -- ask the Yavapai Cooperative Extension
> Agent for a copy. It includes apples, plums, grapes, raspberries,
> peaches, pears, apricots, cherries, strawberries, currants,
> and gooseberries. The bulletin lists specific varieties.
>
> Blueberries usually don't grow well in Arizona because they
> need a more acidic soil; I don't know if the kiwi will handle
> the cold in winter.
>
> The vegetables sound good from spring/summer planting. Again,
> check with the Yavapai Office for specific varieties.
>
> Arizona Cooperative Extension
> Yavapai County
> P.O. Box 388
> 500 S. Marina St.
> Prescott, AZ 86302
> (520) 445-6590
>
> Have fun. It sounds like a wonderful place to garden!
>
> Linda Drew
> Master Gardener
> >From: "redrocklover"
> >To:
> >Subject: [Arid_gardener] high desert edible landscaping
> >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:58:51 -0700
> >
> >Hello everyone :)
> >
> >My wife and I just bought a house in Lake Montezuma, AZ. We would like to
> >do a vegetable garden and fruit trees, but aren't sure of the best way to
> >shop for and select the proper plant stock for our area. Peaches,
> >blueberries, strawberries, cherries and kiwi are the fruits of choice.
> >Tomatoes, snap peas, green beans, and yellow squash are the choice
veggies.
> >Any suggestions on varieties and sources?
> >
> >Matthew & Linda
> >spiritflight@kachina.net
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> From: ASUsped@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:40:22 EDT
> To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
> Subject: [Arid_gardener] thank youJerry..date plam trees
>
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> Thank you for responding to me, Jerry. I would like to know if
other
> members of the list observed the same where the date palm trees just grew
> away from each other. Since they were planted 12 years ago ,I need to wait
> another 22 years....LOL
>
> How do you if the palm tree is female or male? I have 3 palm trees
and
> they all produce dates but with no seeds and really not that tasty at all.
I
> am originally from Saudi Arabia and I remember the dates back were very
> delicious.
>
> Can someone recommend me to a specialist on date palms. I'd like my
> date palms to produce good dates and I don't know how. Most of the people
in
> the yellow pages are for queen palms problems not date palms.....thank
> you....Mike
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/10/2002 10:12:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
> jerry@intrec.com writes:
>
>
> > We also have two (female) date palms that were planted exactly 72"
> > apart about 34+ years ago, as they grew and the fonds touched, and
> > the palms, considering the centers of the trunks, each gradually
> > moved away from the other (as palms do when planted closely). The
> > trees are now about 23 feet tall and the tops are a nominal 14 feet
> > apart and still slightly touching. We like the look, they're a
> > "matched set" its very natural. If we were to plant them again today,
> > we wouldn't change a thing.
> >
> > Also, we only remove fronds when they have died and can be pulled
> > off, and we eschew anyone wanting to trim our date palms. The pair
> > makes a wonderful canopy for our back yard. :)
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Cline
> > Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
> > The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
> >
> >
>
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> Thank you for responding to me,
Jerry. I would like to know if other members of the list observed the same
where the date palm trees just grew away from each other. Since they were
planted 12 years ago ,I need to wait another 22 years....LOL
>
> How do you if the palm tree is female
or male? I have 3 palm trees and they all produce dates but with no seeds
and really not that tasty at all. I am originally from Saudi Arabia and I
remember the dates back were very delicious.
>
> Can someone recommend me to a
specialist on date palms. I'd like my date palms to produce good dates and I
don't know how. Most of the people in the yellow pages are for queen palms
problems not date palms.....thank you....Mike
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/10/2002 10:12:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
jerry@intrec.com writes:
>
>
>
We also have two (female) date
palms that were planted exactly 72"
> apart about 34+ years ago, as they grew and the fonds touched, and
> the palms, considering the centers of the trunks, each gradually
> moved away from the other (as palms do when planted closely). The
> trees are now about 23 feet tall and the tops are a nominal 14 feet
> apart and still slightly touching. We like the look, they're a
> "matched set" its very natural. If we were to plant them again today,
> we wouldn't change a thing.
>
> Also, we only remove fronds when they have died and can be pulled
> off, and we eschew anyone wanting to trim our date palms. The pair
> makes a wonderful canopy for our back yard. :)
>
> --
> Jerry Cline <jerry@intrec.com>
> Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
> The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese
proverb
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:28:20 -0700
> To: Sales-Anchorage Printing ,
> "'arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu'"
> From: Jerry Cline
> Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: [AG] Mushrooms
>
> At 12:02 -0800 09/10/2002, Sales-Anchorage Printing wrote:
> > I have many mushrooms growing in my front yard how do I get rid of them
and
> > what causes them to grow?
>
> Do they grow outward in an expanding ring from a central point, or just
random?
>
> In general over watering can create ideal mushroom growing
> conditions. Also any dead or decaying organic matter such as old
> roots or other woody items can encourage growth, especially if
> conditions are on the damp side.
>
> --
> Jerry Cline
> Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
> The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:10:06 -0700
> To: ASUsped@aol.com, arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
> From: Jerry Cline
> Subject: Re: [Arid_gardener] thank youJerry..date plam trees
>
> At 16:40 -0400 09/10/2002, ASUsped@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Thank you for responding to me, Jerry. I would like to know if other
> > members of the list observed the same where the date palm trees just
> > grew away from each other. Since they were planted 12 years ago ,I
> > need to wait another 22 years....LOL
>
> They do grow away from each other, that is a palm survival technique.
> From now on when you see any kind of palm group in close plantings,
> you're going to notice the trees leaning away from each other.
>
> > How do you if the palm tree is female or male? I have 3 palm trees and
> > they all produce dates but with no seeds and really not that tasty at
> > all. I am originally from Saudi Arabia and I remember the dates back
> > were very delicious.
>
> Females are capable of fruiting, but unless fertilized with with the
> pollen from a male tree, they are usually seedless and pithy.
>
> Walk around your neighborhood next spring when your dates just begin
> to develop their spathes (the sheath containing the potential fruit)
> and look at other date trees. You will see that some date trees show
> a different style spathe and when it opens it has a proliferation of
> yellow fine powder (with sort of a 'sexy" odor when smelled closely
> :). You place that powder on cotton balls, dust your date blossoms,
> loosely tie the strings of blossoms into bundles with a couple of
> cotton balls inside. Use slip knots so they can expand as they grow,
> then comes the protection from everything that can ruin them.
>
> Heh.. you could say, you're performing a "dateing service!" chortle...
>
> There is a jokeline that goes with the above, but I'll not repeat it here
:-)
>
> You can buy date pollen at some of the larger nurseries in the spring.
>
> You can order procedural papers from the Maricopa Extension office
> with instructions on how to proceed from there. The first thing
> you'll find is that raising dates, collecting the pollen spathes,
> introducing the pollen to your fruiting spathes, then protecting the
> delicacies you've created from moisture, birds and bugs is a whole
> lot like work. Fun, but arduous.
>
> Also, in my case, as noted, I do NOT like to trim the canopy, so
> getting in among the zillions of hypodermic needles on the base of
> the fronds, is really painful, and even dangerous. I finally just
> figured it was not worth the trouble and let the birds and bugs have
> them.
>
> > Can someone recommend me to a specialist on date palms. I'd like my
> > date palms to produce good dates and I don't know how. Most of the
> > people in the yellow pages are for queen palms problems not date
> > palms.
>
> There are several. One I know of is really good, and like me a sort
> of "retired Master Gardner," grows dates over by Queen Creek. He
> imported Madjool (sp?) date trees from California (Madjooles are huge
> and wonderful - like candy bars!). I don't think he gets involved at
> the public level like this, but he is an information fount. His name
> is Michael Kuzmik, a long time friend - we were both in the
> beekeeping business in the 1980's.
>
> But also check the Maricopa Co-op literature sources. They have some
> really good material on date raising (at least the collection of
> stuff I got from there in the late 1980's is an awesome collection!
> Those materials may even be online now, someone else will have to
> answer that question.
>
> Best regards and happy dateing! :)
> --
> Jerry Cline
> Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
> The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
>
>
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>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:23:43 -0700
> To: Chris_Nichols@dell.com, arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
> From: Jerry Cline
> Subject: RE: [Arid_gardener] prickly pear fruit
>
> At 14:49 -0500 09/10/2002, Chris_Nichols@dell.com wrote:
> > > I use kitchen tongs....
> >
> > How do you peel/skin them?
>
> A recent documentary on KUET TV Phx shows Mexicans handling them with
> bare hands, but I would kitchen tongs as well. It also shows them
> handling the pads much like fish, and they were, in effect
> "filleting" the cactus pads. They used a cutting board, and they
> slipped a narrow a narrow/thin fillet style knife under the skin,
> flipped the skin off, turned the pad, and grabbed another, repeating
> the process in high speed. They churned through the the stack of pads
> like oyster schuckers in a local contest.
>
> They eat and sell the product raw, canned and bottled. They speak
> highly of the attributes of the cactus flesh. I've never tried it,
> but we have a HUGE smooth pear cactus on the point of our property,
> and I'm tempted. It is prolific, we have to trim it often, and we
> haul hundreds of pounds per year to the compost. :-)
>
> --
> Jerry Cline
> Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
> The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
>
>
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>
> Message: 14
> From: "Barbara Marcus"
> To: "Arid Gardener"
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:18:48 -0700
> Subject: [Arid_gardener] (no subject)
>
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> until August when the older leaves turned all brown. The new growth =
> looks good. I thought it was getting too much sun so I made a shade =
> screen for it. The rose faces south. I water with 4 gallons three =
> times a week. Should I remove the brown leaves- it looks bad (This rose =
> is planted by a church walkway so it gets seen often) Should I =
> fertilize now. About 10 days ago i gave it some liquid fish emulsion =
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From phxws@qwest.net Thu Sep 12 14:09:42 2002
From: phxws@qwest.net (phxws@qwest.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:09:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209121409.g8CE9gI29601@Ag.arizona.edu>
I have a grapefruit, lemon, and an orange tree in my back yard. The orange tree appears to be dying. It's leaves are falling off and branches are dying and are very brittle. They are getting plenty of water and I fertilize 4 times a year. All the trees are 10-12 yesrs old. The grapefruit is good and healthy; the lemon tree also looks sick, but not as bad as the orange tree. What can I do to help the orange and lemon trees. Thank you for your time. Wayne
From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Wed Sep 11 23:54:10 2002
From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:54:10 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Roses with brown leaves
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Barbara,
You are experiencing the same problems that most of us that grow roses =
do at this time of year, that of browning leaves. The high temperatures =
along with the hot winds as well as the salt that is left in the root =
zones when all of the water that we use evaporates make it difficult to =
keep our roses looking good this time of year here in the low desert. =
Have faith, the new growth which is just starting to show will soon have =
your roses looking nearly as beautiful as the first bloom in the spring.
Shading your roses is one of the steps that you can take to help bring =
the roses through the summer in better condition. Other things that can =
be done are to apply gypsum early in the summer and again in early =
September being sure to water in well. The gypsum will help to eliminate =
the salt which accumulates in the root zone. Doubling the amount of =
water that you apply once a month will also help to flush away the =
salts.
You are right on target with the watering, as the temperatures moderate =
you will need to extend the interval between waterings. I would suggest =
leaving the brown leaves on the roses until they fall off as they will =
provide some shade. In another week or two fertilize with a granular =
rose fertilizer and prune lightly removing any dead growth, crossing =
branches and interior growth.
Good luck.
Rod McKusick
Master Gardener and Consulting Rosarian
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From: Barbara Marcus
To: Arid Gardener
Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:27 PM
Subject: [Arid_gardener] (no subject)
I planted a climbing rose-Queen Elizabeth, in March. It was doing =
fine until August when the older leaves turned all brown. The new =
growth looks good. I thought it was getting too much sun so I made a =
shade screen for it. The rose faces south. I water with 4 gallons =
three times a week. Should I remove the brown leaves- it looks bad =
(This rose is planted by a church walkway so it gets seen often) Should =
I fertilize now. About 10 days ago i gave it some liquid fish emulsion =
and chelated iron. And do I prune a little in September? thanks
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being sure to water in well. The gypsum will help to eliminate the salt =
which=20
accumulates in the root zone. Doubling the amount of water that you =
apply once=20
a month will also help to flush away the salts.
You are right on target with the watering, as the =
temperatures=20
moderate you will need to extend the interval between waterings. I would =
suggest=20
leaving the brown leaves on the roses until they fall off as they will =
provide=20
some shade. In another week or two fertilize with a granular rose =
fertilizer and=20
prune lightly removing any dead growth, crossing branches and interior=20
growth.
I planted a climbing rose-Queen =
Elizabeth, in=20
March. It was doing fine until August when the older leaves =
turned all=20
brown. The new growth looks good. I thought it was getting =
too=20
much sun so I made a shade screen for it. The rose faces =
south. I=20
water with 4 gallons three times a week. Should I remove the =
brown=20
leaves- it looks bad (This rose is planted by a church walkway so it =
gets seen=20
often) Should I fertilize now. About 10 days ago i gave it =
some=20
liquid fish emulsion and chelated iron. And do I prune a =
little in=20
September? thanks
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From marcodif@earthlink.net Thu Sep 12 07:10:33 2002
From: marcodif@earthlink.net (Paul J. Scipione)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:10:33 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] questions about fig trees & pests
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Hello,
I got this email from a co-worker who said it would be a good resource for
gardening tips I have two fig trees in my back yard. One is a 'white' fig
& the other is a 'purple' fig tree, & both are covered well with bird
netting so no birds can get to the figs. I planted both of them in late
January of this year. The 'white' fig tree is over 4 feet tall, & the
purple fig tree is around 3 feet tall. During this summer, I watered them
for 1 1/2 hours with the drip that is circular with eight small holes in it.
Supposedly it can put out up to 10 gallons per hour, but I know it doesn't
since the water pressure is not too great. Also, on real hot days this
summer, I'd spray down the leaves at dusk, & sometimes give it some extra
water. Every couple of weeks I water them with miracle grow. Here are the
questions I have:
1. The smaller tree (purple figs) don't bring too many figs to maturity just
yet, but the few that managed to start turning purple, had a hole in the
skin chewed out by some pest the day after turning purple. I see on both
trees small black ants (I think their ants ?), white flies (those small
white bugs flying around that look like little specs of dust), a small fly
(with narrow body & metallic colors, usually one the leaves), & recently,
what look like a type of flying ant with an elongated skinny body. When I
see the fig that's been eaten, I don't see any bugs around. Also, a lot of
the first ones to come out had the bottom of the fig real open to the point
that the inside was pushing out on some of them. What can I put on and/or
around the tree to keep pests away that is organic & wont affect the figs or
the tree. I used bug-b-gone in the early stages of the trees development
when the figs were still smaller than a grape. Also, what can I do to
either prevent the figs from opening up on the bottom, or 'cover' the
bottoms so as to keep them from becoming too dry.
2. The larger, white fig tree has brought only about 10 figs to maturity so
far, but nothing is eating them yet. I recently counted & found that I had
over 125 figs on the tree. I did some reading about the importance of
thinning a tree when it is still new to reduce the number of fruits. I read
that sometimes a tree will bring more fruit than it can bring to maturity,
so thinning is essential to getting a good crop. So I thinned this tree out
recently & removed about 50 figs & some leaves.
3. Is the reason the figs are slow to mature because it's not the right
time to harvest yet, or is there something I need to add to the soil to
enrich it or improve the ph ?
I'd really appreciate any help you can give. These fig trees were given to
me when they were just about 10 inches tall & the thickness of a pencil.
They are originally from Pennsylvania, where the climate & humidity is much
different than here.
Thanks,
Paul
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fig=20
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bird=20
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late=20
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& the=20
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watered them=20
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it. Supposedly it can put out up to 10 gallons per hour, but =
I know=20
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real hot=20
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give it=20
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grow. Here are the questions I have:
1. The smaller=20
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the few=20
that managed to start turning purple, had a hole in the skin chewed out =
by some=20
pest the day after turning purple. I see on both trees small black =
ants (I=20
think their ants ?), white flies (those small white bugs flying around =
that look=20
like little specs of dust), a small fly (with narrow body & metallic =
colors,=20
usually one the leaves), & recently, what look like a type of flying =
ant=20
with an elongated skinny body. When I see the fig that's been =
eaten, I=20
don't see any bugs around. Also, a lot of the first ones to come =
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tree=20
when it is still new to reduce the number of fruits. I read that =
sometimes=20
a tree will bring more fruit than it can bring to maturity, so thinning =
is=20
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recently=20
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to=20
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I'd really=20
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From jerry@intrec.com Thu Sep 12 21:22:28 2002
From: jerry@intrec.com (Jerry Cline)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:22:28 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] half circles on the leaves of my rose bush!
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
At 17:15 -0400 09/04/2002, ASUsped@aol.com wrote:
> Thank you very much for all the info about the leafcutter bee and I do
> feel much better now.
Good, I'm glad we've given the bee a break! :) Did you know that 30%
of what we eat and wear is dependent on bees? Chicken and dairy feed,
nuts, fruits, all cucurbits (cucumber-squash-melons). The next time
you hear your TV announce making theatrical outrageous comments about
killer bees, just keep the thought that we are dependant on bees and
not all bees are killer bees.
> Since you are a master Gardner; do u have any good tips for roses? I
> have been adding coffee grounds on the soil and it seems like it is
> helping a lot, but I am wondering other ways to help my roses ....
I'm not a rose grower - sorry. :) However, although coffee grounds
are high in tannin and I've read they are probably not good for
plants, but they are organic, they are also acidic, and as a mulch,
they help to hold moisture. Thos are all pluses we need.
My practical experience has shown that our coffee and tea grounds
help to create a wonderful compost. When young in Salt Lake City, we
used to grow our fishing bait nightcrawler (worms) in coffee grounds
and peat moss and they thrived. I've convinced myself that coffee is
good for plants - other's mileages may vary :)
--
Jerry Cline
Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
From jerry@intrec.com Thu Sep 12 18:36:04 2002
From: jerry@intrec.com (Jerry Cline)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:36:04 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re: [AG] Mushrooms
In-Reply-To: <3D7EB95A.FE7C4A66@worldnet.att.net>
References: <3D7EB95A.FE7C4A66@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID:
At 20:32 -0700 09/10/2002, George D wrote:
> How can you tell if these are safe or poisonous? I have a 3 year
old granddaughter and would not
> want her to try them if they are dangerious to her health.
I have no knowledge of which mushrooms are edible. Since I have zero
expertise, and because some are reportedly so dangerously toxic, I
have to assume that all mushrooms not purchased from known safe
sources are toxic. Sorry =:-|
I asked about the mushrooms growing outwardly from a center area
forming a rough circle, because there is a type of fungi (called
fairy ring mushrooms) that grows in this way and as I remember, the
co-op has a guide on handling that problem.
--
Jerry Cline
Master Gardener - (First graduate group)
The best fertilizer is in the gardener's own footsteps. -Chinese proverb
From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Thu Sep 12 21:26:27 2002
From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:26:27 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Dying Citrus Trees
Message-ID: <001801c25aa3$0f2be820$5d2c0a3f@ibmbna6040>
Wayne,
Even though you said that your citrus trees are getting plenty of water the
symptoms you have described indicate otherwise. Why not check out the
following site which will tell you how much water you should be applying:
http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/crops/az1151.pdf
Good luck.
Rod McKusick
Master Gardener
-----Original Message-----
From: phxws@qwest.net
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Date: Thursday, September 12, 2002 8:49 AM
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>I have a grapefruit, lemon, and an orange tree in my back yard. The orange
tree appears to be dying. It's leaves are falling off and branches are
dying and are very brittle. They are getting plenty of water and I
fertilize 4 times a year. All the trees are 10-12 yesrs old. The
grapefruit is good and healthy; the lemon tree also looks sick, but not as
bad as the orange tree. What can I do to help the orange and lemon trees.
Thank you for your time. Wayne
>
>_______________________________________________
>Arid_gardener mailing list
>Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu
>http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener
>
From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Thu Sep 12 21:36:16 2002
From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:36:16 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Ficus nitida with bark cracks
Message-ID: <002b01c25aa4$6dc41aa0$5d2c0a3f@ibmbna6040>
If it is the tree bark that is splitting and the trunk is exposed to the sun
especially the afternoon sun then the problem is sunburn. You can prevent
further damage by either painting the trunk white or wrapping it with a wrap
such as burlap.
Good luck.
Rod McKusick
Master Gardener-----Original Message-----
From: a.anthonyandsons@cox.net
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Date: Thursday, September 12, 2002 8:52 AM
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>I have a ficus (natida)tree that is about 6 years old. the trunk is
splitting in several areas. what is causing this and what can i do prevent
the tree from dieing?
>
>_______________________________________________
>Arid_gardener mailing list
>Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu
>http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener
>
From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Thu Sep 12 21:42:35 2002
From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:42:35 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Pine tree dying
Message-ID: <003001c25aa5$4f7eaa00$5d2c0a3f@ibmbna6040>
Inadequate irrigation can cause trees to dye. Check out these sites for info
on proper irrigation:
http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html
http://www.amwua.org/xscp-wateringschedules.htm
Good luck.
Rod McKusick
Master Gardener
-----Original Message-----
From: a.anthonyandsons@cox.net
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Date: Thursday, September 12, 2002 8:49 AM
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>I have and elderica tree that is 6 years old. for the last two years the
tree has been getting thinner and the branches are drooping. i'm losing more
and more needles. what is causing this? what can i do to prevent the tree
from dieing?
>
>_______________________________________________
>Arid_gardener mailing list
>Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu
>http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener
>
From kellysaxer@hotmail.com Thu Sep 12 23:49:50 2002
From: kellysaxer@hotmail.com (kellysaxer@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:49:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209122349.g8CNnox25922@Ag.arizona.edu>
Hi:
I have a gardening question that I'm hoping you can help me with
I live in the north Scottsdale part of the valley, and have a variety of herbs planted in raised beds in my backyard. About a month ago, I noticed that a lot of the leaves of my herb plants (especially the basil, oregano and mint) have holes in them. I suspect the culprit is caterpillars (I've even picked a few caterpillars off the soil surrounding the plants). How can I get rid of these caterpillars without using synthetic pesticides? I've tried spraying the plants with a soapy water mixture with no real success. I've also heard that lacewings can be released into the garden as a means of erradicating caterpillars (although I have not tried this). Do you have any suggessions...I'm getting desperate. Also, I assume the caterpillar presence in my garden is seasonal...any idea when the caterpillars are likely to morph into moths and go away?
I would appreciate any help you could provide.
Thanks,
Kelly Saxer
From kumeda@Ag.arizona.edu Thu Sep 12 20:50:50 2002
From: kumeda@Ag.arizona.edu (Kai Umeda)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:50:50 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] FYI on new National Organic Program Laws
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020912135013.023e3f90@ag.arizona.edu>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith S. Mayberry [mailto:ksmayberry@ucdavis.edu]
>Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:41 PM
>To: veghelp@ucdavis.edu
>Subject: FYI on new National Organic Program Laws
>
>To all Veghelpers interested in Organic Production.....
>
>The National Organic Program administered by the USDA will go into effect
>at the end of October 2002. The following website discusses proposed
>impacts and potential changes it may have in current regulations.
>
>http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/ general information
>
>Be sure to read through the Frequently Asked Questions listed below
>http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/nop2000/nop2/FAQ.htm#Subpart%20B%20-%20Applicability
>
>Keith
>Keith S. Mayberry
>Acting County Director
>& Vegetable Crops Advisor
>1050 E. Holton Rd.
>Holtville CA 92250
>760-352-9474 office
>760-996-1386 cell phone
Kai Umeda
Area Extension Agent, Vegetable Crops
University of Arizona Cooperative Extension, Maricopa County
4341 E. Broadway Road
Phoenix, AZ 85040
602-470-8086 x-314
fax 602-470-8092
http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/vegcrops
From dhgouge@Ag.arizona.edu Thu Sep 12 19:29:31 2002
From: dhgouge@Ag.arizona.edu (Dawn H. Gouge)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:29:31 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Bug repellents
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020912122829.02426978@ag.arizona.edu>
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Insect Repellents Dawn H. Gouge, September 2002
Mosquitoes, biting flies, and ticks can be annoying and sometimes pose a=20
serious risk to public health. In certain areas of the United States,=20
mosquitoes can transmit diseases like equine and St. Louis=20
encephalitis. More recently transmission of West Nile Virus has become a=20
major concern. Biting flies can inflict a painful bite that can persist=20
for days, swell, and become infected. Ticks can transmit serious diseases=
=20
like Lyme disease and Rocky Mountain spotted fever. When properly used,=20
arthropod (insects, ticks, mites, etc.) repellents can discourage biting=20
arthropods from landing on treated skin or clothing.
Choosing Insect Repellents
Insect repellents are available in various forms and=20
concentrations. Aerosol and pump-spray products are intended for skin=20
applications as well as for treating clothing. Liquid, cream, lotion,=20
spray, and stick products enable direct skin application. Products with a=
=20
low concentration of active ingredient may be appropriate for situations=20
where exposure to insects is minimal. Higher concentration of active=20
ingredient may be useful in highly infested areas or with insect species=20
which are more difficult to repel. Where appropriate, consider=20
non-chemical ways to deter biting insects - screens, netting, long sleeves,=
=20
and long pants.
Using Insect Repellents Safely
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) recommends the following=20
precautions when using insect repellents:
=B7 Apply repellents only to exposed skin and/or clothing (as directed=
=20
on the product label). Do not use under clothing.
=B7 Never use repellents over cuts, wounds, or irritated skin.
=B7 Do not apply to eyes and mouth, and apply sparingly around=20
ears. When using sprays do not spray directly onto face; spray on hands=20
first and then apply to face.
=B7 Do not allow children to handle the products, and do not apply to=
=20
children's hands. When using on children, apply to your own hands and then=
=20
put it on the child.
=B7 Do not spray in enclosed areas. Avoid breathing a repellent=
spray,=20
and do not use it near food.
=B7 Use just enough repellent to cover exposed skin and/or=20
clothing. Heavy application and saturation is generally unnecessary for=20
effectiveness; if biting insects do not respond to a thin film of=20
repellent, then apply a bit more.
=B7 After returning indoors, wash treated skin with soap and water or=
=20
bathe. This is particularly important when repellents are used repeatedly=
=20
in a day or on consecutive days. Also, wash treated clothing before=20
wearing it again. If you suspect that you or your child are reacting to an=
=20
insect repellent, discontinue use, wash treated skin, and then call your=20
local poison control center if symptoms persist. If/when you go to a=20
doctor, take the repellent with you. Reactions to repellents usually take=
=20
the form of burning or irritated skin where the repellent has been applied.
=B7 Get specific medical information about the active ingredients in=
=20
repellents and other pesticides by calling the National Pesticide=20
Information Center (NPIC) at 1-800-858-7378. NPIC operates from 6:30 a.m.=
=20
to 4:30 p.m. (Pacific Time),9:30 a.m. to 7:30 p.m. (Eastern Time), 7 days a=
=20
week. The NPIC Web site is: http://npic.orst.edu/
Important Information on Using Repellents
EPA recommends the following precautions when using an insect repellent:
=B7 Check the container to ensure that the product bears an=20
EPA-approved label and registration number. Never use a product that has=20
not been approved for use by EPA!
=B7 Read the entire label before using a pesticide. Even if you have=
=20
used it before, read the label again - don't trust your memory.
=B7 Follow use directions carefully, use only the amount directed, at=
=20
the time and under the conditions specified, and for the purpose=20
listed. For example, if you need a tick repellent, make sure that the=20
product label lists this use. If ticks are not listed, the product may not=
=20
be formulated for that use.
=B7 Store repellants away from children's reach, in a locked utility=
=20
cabinet.
Types of Repellants
=B7 DEET (chemical name, N,N-diethyl-meta-toluamide) is the active=20
ingredient in many insect repellent products. DEET's most significant=20
benefit is its ability to repel potentially disease-carrying insects and=20
ticks. Products containing DEET currently are available to the public in a=
=20
variety of liquids, lotions, sprays, and impregnated materials (e.g., wrist=
=20
bands). Formulations registered for direct application to human skin=20
contain from 4 to 100% DEET. DEET is designed for direct application to=20
human skin to repel insects, rather than kill them. After it was developed=
=20
by the U.S. Army in 1946, DEET was registered for use by the general public=
=20
in 1957. Approximately 230 products containing DEET are currently=20
registered with EPA by about 70 different companies. Skin sensitivity to=20
DEET can develop after repeated use. EPA is no longer allowing child=20
safety claims on product labels. These claims currently appear on certain=
=20
products containing a DEET concentration of 15% or less. The scientific=20
data on DEET do not support product label claims of child safety based on=20
the percentage of active ingredient. Use lower levels (<6%) of DEET on=20
children. Do not use DEET on infants or if you are pregnant.
o 30% DEET will provide 6.5 hours of protection;
o 15% DEET will provide 5 hours of protection;
o l0% DEET will provide approximately 3 hours of protection, and
o 5% DEET will provide approximately 2 hours of protection.
Off Deep Woods (SC Johnson), 23.8% DEET 301.5 minutes of protection time
Off Skintastic for Kids (SC Johnson), 4.75% DEET 88.4 minutes of=20
protection time
IR3535-based repellent
A chemical repellent that has been used in Europe for over 20 years, IR3535=
=20
was approved for use in the United States in 1999.
Skin So Soft Bug Guard (Avon) IR3535 22.9 minutes protection time
=B7 Botanicals
Citronella or Lavender Oil
=A7 It is recommended that personal insect repellents such as=20
citronella and oil of lavender not be used on children under 2 years of age.
=A7 The citronella oil repellents registered protect people against=20
mosquito bites for less than one hour. The registered lavender oil=20
repellent protects for half an hour or less.
=A7 Based on animal studies, citronella-based products appear to be=20
potential dermal sensitizers. Therefore, allergic reactions may occur in=20
some individuals
=A7 The citronella-based repellents tested protected for 20 minutes or=
=20
less. Slow release products do not provide significant added benefit.
Eucalyptus oil
Products containing eucalyptus oil were the most effective herbal=20
repellents tested!!
Repel Lemon Eucalyptus Insect Repellent (WPC Brands) 120.1 minutes=20
protection time Fite Bite Plant-Based Insect Repellent (Travel=20
Medicine) 120.1 minutes protection time
Soybean Oil
Bite Blocker for Kids (HOMS) soybean oil 94.6 minutes protection time
Mineral Oil
Skin-So-Soft Bath Oil (Avon) - 9.6 minutes of protection
Permethrin
As a treatment for clothing. Use by itself or with skin applied=20
repellents. Permethrin is a contact insecticide. That is, it kills ticks=
=20
or other insects when it comes in contact with them. It is used on=20
clothing and materials only. It uses the same active ingredient used in=20
hair shampoos for head lice. Skin contact should be avoided and=20
deactivates Permethrin within fifteen minutes. As a clothing, tent or=20
sleeping bag application, Permethrin is very effective at keeping ticks=20
from attaching to you and at reducing the mosquito bites. Permethrin is an=
=20
effective repellent against mosquitoes and flies and can be used in=20
conjunction with a skin based repellent. Spray applications of Permethrin=
=20
can remain effective up to 14 days of exposure to light or oxygen, or=20
through two aggressive washings. By storing the treated clothing in black=
=20
plastic bags between uses the fourteen days of protection can be extended=20
considerably. If necessary a heavier application can remain effective even=
=20
longer.
Reference
Fradin MF, Day JF. Comparative efficacy of insect repellents against=20
mosquito bites. New England Journal of Medicine. 2002;4;347(1):13-8.
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Insect
Repellents &n=
bsp; Dawn
H. Gouge, September 2002
Mosquitoes, biting flies, and ticks can be annoying and sometimes
pose a serious risk to public health. In certain areas of the
United States, mosquitoes can transmit diseases like equine and St. Louis
encephalitis. More recently transmission of West Nile Virus has
become a major concern. Biting flies can inflict a painful bite
that can persist for days, swell, and become infected. Ticks can
transmit serious diseases like Lyme disease and Rocky Mountain spotted
fever. When properly used, arthropod (insects, ticks, mites, etc.)
repellents can discourage biting arthropods from landing on treated skin
or clothing. Choosing Insect Repellents Insect repellents are available in various forms and
concentrations. Aerosol and pump-spray products are intended for
skin applications as well as for treating clothing. Liquid, cream,
lotion, spray, and stick products enable direct skin application.
Products with a low concentration of active ingredient may be appropriate
for situations where exposure to insects is minimal. Higher
concentration of active ingredient may be useful in highly infested areas
or with insect species which are more difficult to repel. Where
appropriate, consider non-chemical ways to deter biting insects -
screens, netting, long sleeves, and long pants. Using Insect Repellents Safely The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) recommends the following
precautions when using insect repellents:
=B7
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repellents only to exposed skin and/or clothing (as directed on the
product label). Do not use under clothing.
=B7
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use repellents over cuts, wounds, or irritated skin.=20
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sp;Do
not apply to eyes and mouth, and apply sparingly around ears. When
using sprays do not spray directly onto face; spray on hands first and
then apply to face.
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not allow children to handle the products, and do not apply to children's
hands. When using on children, apply to your own hands and then put
it on the child.
=B7 =
x-tab>Do
not spray in enclosed areas. Avoid breathing a repellent spray, and
do not use it near food.
=B7 =
x-tab>Use
just enough repellent to cover exposed skin and/or clothing. Heavy
application and saturation is generally unnecessary for effectiveness; if
biting insects do not respond to a thin film of repellent, then apply a
bit more.
=B7 =
x-tab>After
returning indoors, wash treated skin with soap and water or bathe.
This is particularly important when repellents are used repeatedly in a
day or on consecutive days. Also, wash treated clothing before
wearing it again. If you suspect that you or your child are
reacting to an insect repellent, discontinue use, wash treated skin, and
then call your local poison control center if symptoms persist.
If/when you go to a doctor, take the repellent with you. Reactions
to repellents usually take the form of burning or irritated skin where
the repellent has been applied.
=B7 =
x-tab>Get
specific medical information about the active ingredients in repellents
and other pesticides by calling the National Pesticide Information Center
(NPIC) at 1-800-858-7378. NPIC operates from 6:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.
(Pacific Time),9:30 a.m. to 7:30 p.m. (Eastern Time), 7 days a
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From Marientaff@aol.com Mon Sep 16 19:29:20 2002
From: Marientaff@aol.com (Marientaff@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:29:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209161929.g8GJTKx21333@Ag.arizona.edu>
How may I receive the pamplet, Landscaping with stype in the Arizona Desert? I saw this in a web page and it said I could contact either a water district or the MG program. We are building a new home in Del Webb's Sun City Grand and really need this. I am a former MG from Sacramento County-just resigned when I moved. I volunteered from 1986 and am also interested in your county's MG program. Will apply after we move this fall.Thank you for your help.
From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Mon Sep 16 23:06:30 2002
From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:06:30 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Borers on fruit trees
Message-ID: <007301c25dd5$cd4ba860$822c0a3f@ibmbna6040>
Annette,
Borers usually attack trees that are under stress and one of the most
commonn stresses that we encounter here in the low desert is inadequate
irrigation.
Once borers get a start in a tree they are difficult to control. Things that
can be done to help is to prune off any branches that are dying or are dead
and destroy the prunings. Spray the tree and branches with an insecticide
containing the chemical Lindane once each month during April, May and June
when the larvae are hatching and starting to bore into the tree.
Be sure your trees are getting enough water, check out these sites:
http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/watering.html
http://www.amwua.org/xscp-wateringschedules.htm
Good luck.
Rod McKusick
Master Gardener
-----Original Message-----
From: annetter11@msn.com
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Date: Monday, September 16, 2002 9:12 AM
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>We have tree bores in our apricot and peach trees and can not find any
chemical help at the local nurseries or home centers. What can we do to
kill them off before they destroy the entire tree and spread to our apple
and pear trees??
>
>Thank you,
>Annette Randall
>1016 West Lodge Drive
>Tempe, AZ 85283
>
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From darabet@cox.net Tue Sep 17 00:03:33 2002
From: darabet@cox.net (darabet@cox.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:03:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209170003.g8H03Xx21742@Ag.arizona.edu>
Our gardener says we have mites in the soil in an area and that has killed to hibiscus plants. He says the only way to get rid of them is to replace the soil down 2 feet. That sounds kind of drastic and I question the cost effectiveness. Do you have any other suggestions? such as wait a year? Thanks.
From ClaireASP@aol.com Tue Sep 17 00:15:11 2002
From: ClaireASP@aol.com (ClaireASP@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:15:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209170015.g8H0FBx23756@Ag.arizona.edu>
I have a Blue Knight Butterfly Bush that is getting pretty tall and lanky. What time of the year is best to trim and shape it up? Thanks for any response.
From aztbal1@aol.com Tue Sep 17 14:42:55 2002
From: aztbal1@aol.com (aztbal1@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:42:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209171442.g8HEgtx29758@Ag.arizona.edu>
We transplanted a 7' tall 17" circumference ficus tree on 9/7/02 because it was being resticted by patio eaves. It has now lost all of its leaves despite watering. It was very slightly top pruned according to the latest methods for successful transplanting. What more can we do ensure it lives? We did not add any soil amendments to the new hole which was dug to the same level of the root ball and twice as wide as the lateral roots. Will the leaves return? Should we top prune or fertilize? Thank you for helping me save a beautiful tree.
From Milt10@cox.net Tue Sep 17 16:35:04 2002
From: Milt10@cox.net (Milt10@cox.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:35:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209171635.g8HGZ4x25324@Ag.arizona.edu>
Should you water golden barrel cactus?
From john@johnongardening.com Tue Sep 17 18:00:06 2002
From: john@johnongardening.com (John Chapman)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:00:06 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
In-Reply-To: <200209171442.g8HEgtx29758@Ag.arizona.edu>
Message-ID:
Almost anything you do unusual to a Ficus will send it into shock and it
will drop all or almost all of its leaves. You are doing about all you can
do. Keep the ground moist but not soggy. If you fertilize now it is like
having a steak dinner immediately after surgery - you have to recuperate
slowly and the tree has to regain it's health also before you feed it. Don't
fertilize now until maybe January / February of 2004. Don't prune it because
it will need all of its leaves when they return for making food for the
roots. In spite of all you do people still die after surgery and plants die
after transplanting - there are no guarantees, you just want to do the
correct procedures to put the chances of survival on your side. You have
done the correct things now hope for the best. We are going into the fall,
and cold weather so even though you may not see any new leaves, I would not
give up hope & consider it dead until late April or May of 2003. John
Chapman, Master Gardner
-----Original Message-----
From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu
[mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of aztbal1@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 7:43 AM
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
We transplanted a 7' tall 17" circumference ficus tree on 9/7/02 because it
was being resticted by patio eaves. It has now lost all of its leaves
despite watering. It was very slightly top pruned according to the latest
methods for successful transplanting. What more can we do ensure it lives?
We did not add any soil amendments to the new hole which was dug to the same
level of the root ball and twice as wide as the lateral roots. Will the
leaves return? Should we top prune or fertilize? Thank you for helping me
save a beautiful tree.
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From john@johnongardening.com Tue Sep 17 18:01:48 2002
From: john@johnongardening.com (John Chapman)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:01:48 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
In-Reply-To: <200209171635.g8HGZ4x25324@Ag.arizona.edu>
Message-ID:
All live plants need water. A good deep soaking once a month should be
sufficient. John Chapman, Master Gardner
-----Original Message-----
From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu
[mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Milt10@cox.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:35 AM
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
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Should you water golden barrel cactus?
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From john@johnongardening.com Tue Sep 17 18:32:05 2002
From: john@johnongardening.com (John Chapman)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:32:05 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Lavender varieties best suited for Arizona at 4,500 to 5,000 ft elevation
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Terry, Click here to get to the Payson office of Gila county.
http://ag.arizona.edu/gila/ They will have that info for you.
John Chapman, Master gardener
-----Original Message-----
From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu
[mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Terrence R Lowrie
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:56 AM
To: Arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Lavender varieties best suited for Arizona at 4,500
to 5,000 ft elevation
We have some property in Payson that has some acreage that we are thinking
about trying to grow lavender or other appropriate types of plants. Can you
help with what types of lavender might be best suited for this climate? In
addition was other types of plants have been grown in this type of climate
in Arizona.
Thanks,
Terry
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From john@johnongardening.com Tue Sep 17 18:28:18 2002
From: john@johnongardening.com (John Chapman)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:28:18 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Organic plants for Sunset zone 10 ?
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Matthew,
You didn’t say which county you are in. Click here and then on
your county and start poking around to find the publications for your
climate. http://ag.arizona.edu/extension/counties/ According to the Sunset
Western garden book P61. Sedona and Cottonwood are in Zone 10. John
Chapman, Mater Gardner
-----Original Message-----
From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu
[mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of redrocklover
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 7:54 PM
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Organic plants for Sunset zone 10 ?
Does anyone have a resource for organic fruit and vegetable plants for USDA
zone 7/ Arizona zone 3 / Sunset zone 10? I especially want strawberries.
Matthew Ransom
Lake Montezuma, AZ
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From annetter11@msn.com Tue Sep 17 19:04:21 2002
From: annetter11@msn.com (ANNETTE RANDALL)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:04:21 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] tree borers
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From john@johnongardening.com Tue Sep 17 19:34:35 2002
From: john@johnongardening.com (John Chapman)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:34:35 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
In-Reply-To: <200209052311.g85NBgp16063@Ag.arizona.edu>
Message-ID:
Na, You don't have to use any top dressing at all. The third week of October
is the general target window, but actually temperature is the more exact
measuring tool. Over seed with Perennial Rye when the temperature stays
below 95 degrees.
By the way the grass they use in the Bank One ballpark is nicknamed Bobsod.
It is actually called Bullseye Bermuda and was developed at Mississippi
State University. Click here http://www.westernsod.com/seasonalinfo.html for
the details of over seeding, and planting your winter lawn. John Chapman,
Master gardner
-----Original Message-----
From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu
[mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of jwmoneal@cox.net
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:12 PM
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
I want to plant a winter lawn, is there a way to do it with out using all
the manure that I see people use. I forget the grass I have but it's the
same stuff that they have at Bank One ballpark.
Thank You
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From pyroh2o2@cs.com Tue Sep 17 20:15:12 2002
From: pyroh2o2@cs.com (pyroh2o2@cs.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:15:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
Message-ID: <200209172015.g8HKFCx17012@Ag.arizona.edu>
I would like to know the best way to plant a ficus nitida tree. the trees i have are about 6 feet tall now. they are still in the wooden boxes. would like to plant them over the next couple weeks. thank you for any info you can give me.
From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Tue Sep 17 21:09:17 2002
From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:09:17 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Ficus tree lost leaves after transplanting
Message-ID: <001901c25e8e$91c26b80$632c0a3f@ibmbna6040>
Most trees go into shock when transplanted.
The shock often will cause leaf drop, this is especially so with the Ficus
benjamina. Just be sure that it is watered adequately and do not fertilize
or prune until the tree has returned to normal.
Good luck.
Rod McKusick
Master Gardener
-----Original Message-----
From: aztbal1@aol.com
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 8:56 AM
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
>We transplanted a 7' tall 17" circumference ficus tree on 9/7/02 because it
was being resticted by patio eaves. It has now lost all of its leaves
despite watering. It was very slightly top pruned according to the latest
methods for successful transplanting. What more can we do ensure it lives?
We did not add any soil amendments to the new hole which was dug to the same
level of the root ball and twice as wide as the lateral roots. Will the
leaves return? Should we top prune or fertilize? Thank you for helping me
save a beautiful tree.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Arid_gardener mailing list
>Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu
>http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener
>
From Robert_Sandoval@oxy.com Tue Sep 17 23:23:13 2002
From: Robert_Sandoval@oxy.com (Robert_Sandoval@oxy.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:23:13 -0500
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Mexican Bird of Paradise
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To Whom it may concern,
Is it possible to cultivate a Mexican Bird of Paradise plant from the seed
pods that are produced by the plant? And If so what is the recommended
process to follow?
If it is possible please respond to me at sand@arrival.net
Regards
Robert from Bakersfield, Calif.
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If it is possible please respond to me =
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From john@johnongardening.com Tue Sep 17 22:54:10 2002
From: john@johnongardening.com (John Chapman)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:54:10 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Bob sod -Over seeding
In-Reply-To: <200209052311.g85NBgp16063@Ag.arizona.edu>
Message-ID:
You don't have to use any top dressing at all. The third week of October is
the general target window, but actually temperature is the more exact
measuring tool. Over seed with Perennial Rye when the temperature stays
below 95 degrees.
By the way the grass they use in the Bank One ballpark is nicknamed Bobsod.
It is actually called Bullseye Bermuda and was developed at Mississippi
State University. Click here http://www.westernsod.com/seasonalinfo.html for
the details of over seeding, and planting your winter lawn. John Chapman,
Master Gardner
-----Original Message-----
From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu
[mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of jwmoneal@cox.net
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:12 PM
To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page
I want to plant a winter lawn, is there a way to do it with out using all
the manure that I see people use. I forget the grass I have but it's the
same stuff that they have at Bank One ballpark.
Thank You
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From watsontl@mindspring.com Wed Sep 18 02:16:53 2002
From: watsontl@mindspring.com (Tom & Linda Watson)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:16:53 -0700
Subject: [Arid_gardener] Mexican Bird of Paradise
References: <68042B24D989D74F8D82CD81BDBB98AE6CE707@oekw2km3>
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water in or they will not germinate very well. Rub them just enough =
the a little pale color shows through in one small spot. You can also =
nick the seed coat with a file, if you have one handy. Then plant them =
in any well drained potting mix. They grow quickly, so have larger =
pots handy for transplanting.
Tom
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