From clariceburke@cs.com Fri Jan 3 21:38:42 2003 From: clariceburke@cs.com (clariceburke@cs.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:38:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301032138.h03Lcf129341@Ag.arizona.edu> When is the best time to prune a fig tree? My tree is small, only about three years old. How many main branches shall I leave on it, and how short should they be cut? Thank you for whatever help you may be able to provide. From bkcollins@earthlink.net Fri Jan 3 22:23:27 2003 From: bkcollins@earthlink.net (Bev Collins) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:23:27 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Converting lawn to desert landscape Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C2B33C.109CB3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've just moved from Phoenix to El Paso and purchased a home with a large turf lawn. I plan to kill and remove the grass and am looking for all the info available to help me do it right the first time. Is there a 'best' time of year? I'd like to use lots of agave in my new landscape, but how long will the effects of a monocot herbicide remain in the soil? How long should I wait after using an herbicide like Roundup before planting anything? Is it OK to install the new landscape with dicots right away? Any other important points that I may have overlooked? How 'bout the birds we feed every day - are these herbicides toxic for them? Bev Collins, El Paso ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C2B33C.109CB3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've = just moved from=20 Phoenix to El Paso and purchased a home with a large turf lawn.  I = plan to=20 kill and remove the grass and am looking for all the info available to = help me=20 do it right the first time.  Is there a 'best' time of year?  = I'd like=20 to use lots of agave in my new landscape, but how long will the effects = of a=20 monocot herbicide remain in the soil?  How long should I wait after = using=20 an herbicide like Roundup before planting anything?  Is it OK to = install=20 the new landscape with dicots right away? Any other important points = that I may=20 have overlooked?  How 'bout the birds we feed every day - are these = herbicides toxic for them?
Bev = Collins, El=20 Paso
------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C2B33C.109CB3F0-- From leumasessej@hotmail.com Sat Jan 4 16:28:10 2003 From: leumasessej@hotmail.com (leumasessej@hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 09:28:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301041628.h04GSA114012@Ag.arizona.edu> just when is the right time to cut back grape vines and how much do you prune them for the best results? From Starlene Stewart" I love seed catalogs, and my favorite place to buy seeds is from Pinetree Seeds, on the web at www.superseeds.com . I love their prices -- for example, Cherry Belle Radishes approx 300 seeds per packet $0.60. Shipping for seeds is $1.95 for no matter how many packages of seeds you order. I must have ordered around 20 packs last time, and only paid $1.95. The only drawback is they are located in Maine and their climate is very different than ours. Are there any seed catalogs geared specifically toward southwestern gardening? I'd be interested if anyone knows of one. Thanks in advance. Starlene Stewart Maricopa, Arizona From Starlene Stewart" Hi, I was late getting my garden started in the fall, had hoped to begin planting in September but did not get the seeds into the bed until October 25th. I foolishly neglected to cover the area with chicken wire as I have in the past. I attribute that partly to the fact that we'd just moved from the Valley to this area and I just plain forgot. The birds ate every single thing that came up, the minute it came up. Why they had to eat *my* garden when there are several hundred acres right across the road is beyond me... guess mine *tasted* better. :-) So I ordered more seeds and replanted, around November 15th, and enclosed the bed with chicken wire. Speaking of which, does anyone know of a more economical supplier than Home Depot? It's getting expensive at $18.00 for 3' x 50'. One roll was enough for the four sides and the two strips across the top. It's not possible for me to get into the garden area unless I remove the top strips because the height is only 2-3 feet high. But the tiniest sparrows are still managing to make their way into the garden, squeezing through the one inch openings. Any ideas? In addition to the chicken wire, we've tried the fake owl, fake snake and strips of aluminum foil. I guess my best hope is to find a less expensive supplier of chicken wire than Home Depot, put poles in the ground around the garden and extend the height so I can get in there without crawling on my belly. My current garden is approx 56 square feet and I'm ordering more seeds today, so I'm going to need more room quick. Running late again... I'm ordering: tomatoes, eggplants, peppers, bell peppers to start indoors and hoping to get them out by mid-February, first of March at latest. I'm worried though, that the birds are going to find a way to eat these up as well once they are transplanted into the garden. So in closing, I guess my questions are: Where can I get chicken wire cheaper than Home Depot? What else can I do about the birds? Anyone else experiencing the same problem? Thanks in advance, Starlene Stewart Maricopa, Arizona From jweir2@aol.com Sun Jan 5 15:25:15 2003 From: jweir2@aol.com (jweir2@aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 08:25:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301051525.h05FPF103728@Ag.arizona.edu> We just planted some prickly pear cactus that a neighbor gave us. They were well established before she cut them down. They remained in her yard (after she cut them down) for over a month before we planted them. Now that they are in the ground again, what can we do to help them along? We provided extra support with stakes because they were drooping over, and we also gave them water....although we weren't sure how much was appropriate. Please comment. Can we give them anything else to inspire their recovery and growth? Thank you for your expertise! From Tat309@junct.com Sun Jan 5 18:02:43 2003 From: Tat309@junct.com (Beverly French) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:02:43 -0600 Subject: [Arid_gardener] gardenias blooms and leaves wilting Message-ID: <000801c2b4e4$a6762920$0743a841@pentium> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B4B2.5A9E5720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i purchased three gardenia bushes 1 week ago and they were bright shiny = foliage and full of buds they are in a southeast window and in this = short period of time the plants look wilted and droppy what am i doing = to them and what can i do to fix this problem = beverly french = tahlequah ok. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B4B2.5A9E5720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B4B2.5A9E5720-- From CamRe@aol.com Sun Jan 5 18:45:55 2003 From: CamRe@aol.com (CamRe@aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:45:55 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] re Poinsettia planting Message-ID: <20.6668de7.2b49d763@aol.com> --part1_20.6668de7.2b49d763_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have 3 Poinsettia plants that i received for Christmas and would like to know the best location on my property to plant them. We live in Apache Jct and would like to lknow what location is the best for Planting the plants. Thank You Doris Panek Camre@aol.com --part1_20.6668de7.2b49d763_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have 3 Poinsettia plants that i received for Christmas and would like to know the best location on my property to plant them. We live in Apache Jct and would like to lknow what location is the best for Planting the plants.
        Thank You
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--part1_20.6668de7.2b49d763_boundary-- From k.m.fukuchi@cox.net Sun Jan 5 22:08:52 2003 From: k.m.fukuchi@cox.net (k.m.fukuchi@cox.net) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 15:08:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301052208.h05M8q107239@Ag.arizona.edu> Hi, I have a 100ft north facing wall in my backyard. I have tried several vines and shrubs but since the wall receives no sun in the winter and full, hot sun in the summer nothing has done well. I'd rather not use a vine with runners as they have been too invasive. Also the wall is 2 feet from my pool, so I can't use anything that will shed too much. I also have a water feature in my pool which has several spots for plants. Any suggestions would be valuable.Thank you, Kathy, Scottsdale From ktjnn@msn.com Fri Jan 3 17:21:20 2003 From: ktjnn@msn.com (ktjnn@msn.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:21:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301031721.h03HLK114705@Ag.arizona.edu> What is the best time to cut or prune boganvella, Lantana and Lady Banks rose? From Dmorty7@msn.com Fri Jan 3 02:31:48 2003 From: Dmorty7@msn.com (Dmorty7@msn.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:31:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301030231.h032Vm115134@Ag.arizona.edu> Where can I take soil from my garden for testing & evaluation? From TNTZ2@netzero.net Thu Jan 2 22:17:35 2003 From: TNTZ2@netzero.net (TNTZ2) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:17:35 -0600 Subject: [Arid_gardener] growing bird of paradise from seed Message-ID: <000801c2b2ac$c4d3d050$37f36dd1@yourviu5vcdub5> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B27A.76443150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an almost two year old b.o.p. and it consists of two small but = healthy leaves about 4 inches high. I live in Illinois so the plant is = inside all year. what can I do to help this poor plant and it's = struggle to survive? Thank you for your advice. Happy New Year.=20 TnTz2 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B27A.76443150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B27A.76443150-- From dpete2@juno.com Mon Jan 6 16:50:33 2003 From: dpete2@juno.com (dpete2@juno.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:50:33 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Seed catalogs & birds Message-ID: <20030106.095126.-415881.12.dpete2@juno.com> Starlene: You might look at Seeds of Change from Santa Fe and Southwest Seeds (I think) also from Santa Fe. They're both on the web. For birds, I use bird netting. I put poles and posts along the edges of my garden and drape the netting over that. I got the netting at hardware stores. It comes in different sizes and it has to be pulled back to work in the garden. The holes are too small to allow the birds in, but you need to anchor the sides. If you leave them loose, the smart birds get under the netting. Then when you come out to check your garden the smart ones figure out how to get out and take off, but then you have to rescue the not so smart ones by pulling off the netting so they can get out of your garden. Good luck, Denny Peterson Tucson On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 07:51:38 -0700 (MST) arid_gardener-request@Ag.arizona.edu writes: > Send Arid_gardener mailing list submissions to > arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > arid_gardener-request@Ag.Arizona.Edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > arid_gardener-admin@Ag.Arizona.Edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Arid_gardener digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fringed Shasta Daisy (jean) > 2. Rye grass yellowing (rodmmcq6@highstream.net) > 3. RE: How to carefor christmas catus (Ursula Miller) > 4. Question from Home-Hort WWW page (clariceburke@cs.com) > 5. Converting lawn to desert landscape (Bev Collins) > 6. Question from Home-Hort WWW page (leumasessej@hotmail.com) > 7. Seed Catalogs (Starlene Stewart) > 8. Birds eating seedlings (Starlene Stewart) > 9. Question from Home-Hort WWW page (jweir2@aol.com) > 10. gardenias blooms and leaves wilting (Beverly French) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "jean" > To: "Arid Gardener" > Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:14:18 -0700 > Subject: [Arid_gardener] Fringed Shasta Daisy > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2AE59.E1B71670 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hello, > > Would fringed shasta daisy grow here in the low valley? I was > thinking = > of a big pot that could be moved to the east side of the house when > it = > gets hot. I really want them for the west side but realize that may > get = > too hot during the summer. The pot is insulated. > > Thanks, JeanSciFi@mchsi.com > > ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2AE59.E1B71670 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > r-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > bgColor=3D#ffffff> >
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2AE59.E1B71670-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Reply-To: > From: > To: > Cc: > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:17:37 -0700 > Subject: [Arid_gardener] Rye grass yellowing > > Paul if you haven't fertilized your rye grass since you overseeded > you are > way past due. Use amonium nitrate fertilizer while the weather is > cool, the > nitrogen becomes available to the plant roots much faster than most > other > fertilizers. > I agree with your nursery in that you are applying too much water. > Today's > newspaper reported that your rye grass requires 0.08 inches of water > if > watered three days ago. Further, winter watering of rye grass should > be only > every 7 to 14 days. > Check out this site for more info on irrigation: > http://www.amwua.org/xscp-wateringschedules.htm > Another great source of information is in the booklet "LANDSCAPE > WATERING BY > THE NUMBERS" available free from most nurseries. > > Good luck. > > Rod McKusick > Master Gardener > ---Original Message----- > From: plcbusdel01@cox.net > To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu > Date: Friday, December 27, 2002 7:23 AM > Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page > > > >Our rye grass has been very successful, however, recently we have > noticed > spotty areas of yellowing. We were told (by a nusery) that we are > watering > too much. We have cut the watering to 3 cycles per week - 5 mintures > per > cycle (about .4 to .6 inches per week). We've not seen any change > (yet). The > yellowing is present both in high and low areas. The yellowing is in > patches > and random. > > > >Are there other causes on this yellowing? > > > >Thank you, > > > >Paul Cote > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Arid_gardener mailing list > >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "Ursula Miller" > To: , > Subject: RE: [Arid_gardener] How to carefor christmas catus > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:41:02 -0700 > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2ADBE.5CA67700 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="Windows-1252" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Bill – I’ve had greater success with these plants in New Jersey > indoors than > I’ve had in Arizona indoors. (Never tried growing them outdoors.) > > But here is what they like from the “Sunset Western Garden” book: > > Rich, porous soil and feeding every 7-10 days during growth and > flowering. > > To make sure that they bloom in December, they need cool nights > (50-55 > degrees) and 12-14 hours of darkness in November. > > Ursula Miller > Not a Master Gardener > > -----Original Message----- > From: arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu > [mailto:arid_gardener-admin@Ag.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of > WFriedr101@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 6:47 AM > To: Arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu > Subject: [Arid_gardener] How to carefor christmas catus > > Hello > We just got a Christmas cactus as a present and don't know how to > care for > it. We live in Clearwater Fla. I am asking you because it gets very > hot here > like in Arizona and thought you would have better information about > the > plant in a hot climate. Should we keep it outside in the heat or put > it in > the a/c?Does it need sun or shade ? Any help would be helpful. Thank > You for > your help. My father had several and were beautiful he passed away > last > Christmas Day and would like to remember him at Christmas through > the plant. > Sounds stupid but means a lot to me. Thank You. > > William > Friedrich > > Bill Friedrich > WFriedr@aol.com > > ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2ADBE.5CA67700 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="Windows-1252" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = > xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> > > > charset=3Dwindows-1252"> > > > > > > > > > > >
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> We just got a Christmas cactus as a present and don't know how to > care = > for it. > We live in Clearwater Fla. I am asking you because it gets very hot > here = > like > in Arizona and thought you would have better information about the > plant = > in a > hot climate. Should we keep it outside in the heat or put it in the > = > a/c?Does it > need sun or shade ? Any help would be helpful. Thank You for your > help. = > My > father had several and were beautiful he passed away last Christmas > Day = > and would > like to remember him at Christmas through the plant. Sounds stupid > but = > means a > lot to me. Thank You.
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> > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2ADBE.5CA67700-- > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:38:42 -0700 (MST) > To: > From: clariceburke@cs.com > Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page > > When is the best time to prune a fig tree? > My tree is small, only about three years old. > How many main branches shall I leave on it, and how short should > they be cut? > > Thank you for whatever help you may be able to provide. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > From: "Bev Collins" > To: > Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:23:27 -0700 > Subject: [Arid_gardener] Converting lawn to desert landscape > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C2B33C.109CB3F0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I've just moved from Phoenix to El Paso and purchased a home with a > large > turf lawn. I plan to kill and remove the grass and am looking for > all the > info available to help me do it right the first time. Is there a > 'best' > time of year? I'd like to use lots of agave in my new landscape, > but how > long will the effects of a monocot herbicide remain in the soil? > How long > should I wait after using an herbicide like Roundup before planting > anything? Is it OK to install the new landscape with dicots right > away? Any > other important points that I may have overlooked? How 'bout the > birds we > feed every day - are these herbicides toxic for them? > Bev Collins, El Paso > > ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C2B33C.109CB3F0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > >
size=3D2>I've = > just moved from=20 > Phoenix to El Paso and purchased a home with a large turf > lawn.  I = > plan to=20 > kill and remove the grass and am looking for all the info available > to = > help me=20 > do it right the first time.  Is there a 'best' time of > year?  = > I'd like=20 > to use lots of agave in my new landscape, but how long will the > effects = > of a=20 > monocot herbicide remain in the soil?  How long should I wait > after = > using=20 > an herbicide like Roundup before planting anything?  Is it OK > to = > install=20 > the new landscape with dicots right away? Any other important points > = > that I may=20 > have overlooked?  How 'bout the birds we feed every day - are > these = > > herbicides toxic for them?
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C2B33C.109CB3F0-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 09:28:10 -0700 (MST) > To: > From: leumasessej@hotmail.com > Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page > > just when is the right time to cut back grape vines and how much do > you prune them for the best results? > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Reply-To: "Starlene Stewart" > From: "Starlene Stewart" > To: > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 12:52:11 -0700 > Subject: [Arid_gardener] Seed Catalogs > > I love seed catalogs, and my favorite place to buy seeds is from > Pinetree > Seeds, on the web at www.superseeds.com . I love their prices -- > for > example, Cherry Belle Radishes approx 300 seeds per packet $0.60. > Shipping > for seeds is $1.95 for no matter how many packages of seeds you > order. I > must have ordered around 20 packs last time, and only paid $1.95. > > The only drawback is they are located in Maine and their climate is > very > different than ours. > > Are there any seed catalogs geared specifically toward southwestern > gardening? I'd be interested if anyone knows of one. > > Thanks in advance. > > Starlene Stewart > Maricopa, Arizona > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Reply-To: "Starlene Stewart" > From: "Starlene Stewart" > To: > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 13:28:43 -0700 > Subject: [Arid_gardener] Birds eating seedlings > > Hi, > > I was late getting my garden started in the fall, had hoped to begin > planting in September but did not get the seeds into the bed until > October > 25th. I foolishly neglected to cover the area with chicken wire as > I have > in the past. I attribute that partly to the fact that we'd just > moved from > the Valley to this area and I just plain forgot. The birds ate > every single > thing that came up, the minute it came up. Why they had to eat *my* > garden > when there are several hundred acres right across the road is beyond > me... > guess mine *tasted* better. :-) So I ordered more seeds and > replanted, > around November 15th, and enclosed the bed with chicken wire. > Speaking of > which, does anyone know of a more economical supplier than Home > Depot? It's > getting expensive at $18.00 for 3' x 50'. One roll was enough for > the four > sides and the two strips across the top. It's not possible for me > to get > into the garden area unless I remove the top strips because the > height is > only 2-3 feet high. > > But the tiniest sparrows are still managing to make their way into > the > garden, squeezing through the one inch openings. Any ideas? In > addition to > the chicken wire, we've tried the fake owl, fake snake and strips > of > aluminum foil. > > I guess my best hope is to find a less expensive supplier of chicken > wire > than Home Depot, put poles in the ground around the garden and > extend the > height so I can get in there without crawling on my belly. My > current > garden is approx 56 square feet and I'm ordering more seeds today, > so I'm > going to need more room quick. > > Running late again... I'm ordering: tomatoes, eggplants, peppers, > bell > peppers to start indoors and hoping to get them out by mid-February, > first > of March at latest. I'm worried though, that the birds are going to > find a > way to eat these up as well once they are transplanted into the > garden. > > So in closing, I guess my questions are: > > Where can I get chicken wire cheaper than Home Depot? > > What else can I do about the birds? > > Anyone else experiencing the same problem? > > Thanks in advance, > > Starlene Stewart > Maricopa, Arizona > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 08:25:15 -0700 (MST) > To: > From: jweir2@aol.com > Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page > > We just planted some prickly pear cactus that a neighbor gave us. > They were well established before she cut them down. They remained > in her yard (after she cut them down) for over a month before we > planted them. Now that they are in the ground again, what can we do > to help them along? We provided extra support with stakes because > they were drooping over, and we also gave them water....although we > weren't sure how much was appropriate. Please comment. > Can we give them anything else to inspire their recovery and > growth? > > Thank you for your expertise! > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > From: "Beverly French" > To: > Cc: > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:02:43 -0600 > Subject: [Arid_gardener] gardenias blooms and leaves wilting > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B4B2.5A9E5720 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > i purchased three gardenia bushes 1 week ago and they were bright > shiny = > foliage and full of buds they are in a southeast window and in this > = > short period of time the plants look wilted and droppy what am i > doing = > to them and what can i do to fix this problem > = > beverly french > = > tahlequah ok. > ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B4B2.5A9E5720 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B4B2.5A9E5720-- > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > > > End of Arid_gardener Digest > > Denneen L. Peterson 177 North Church, Suite 808 Tucson, Arizona 85701 520-620-1648; 520-670-1743 (fax); dpete2@juno.com This email contains confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this email permanently and notify the sender. From beatrice@extremezone.com Mon Jan 6 18:55:28 2003 From: beatrice@extremezone.com (beatrice@extremezone.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:55:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301061855.h06ItS117487@Ag.arizona.edu> Master Gardener, I'm planting a Brazalian Pepper, 24" container size. How should I care for this tree? Thanks for the help. Regards Bob From cchare@qwest.net Mon Jan 6 19:43:43 2003 From: cchare@qwest.net (cchare@qwest.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:43:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301061943.h06Jhh100127@Ag.arizona.edu> Can we grow razzleberri in Phoenix? If so, what suggestions on its use? Thanks. From popsy97@yahoo.com Mon Jan 6 19:50:18 2003 From: popsy97@yahoo.com (Judy Braden) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:50:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page In-Reply-To: <200212302007.gBUK7d103520@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <20030106195018.21277.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, if you protect them from frost. --- cupdike@rosepink.com wrote: > Will poinsettias grow outdoors year around in the > Phoenix valley? > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From clairecreek@cox.net Mon Jan 6 19:38:58 2003 From: clairecreek@cox.net (clairecreek@cox.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:38:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301061938.h06Jcw129105@Ag.arizona.edu> My 10-year old citrus trees (lemon/grapefruit/mandarin orange) are very wooded and have lost a lot of leaves over time. When I see citrus trees elsewhere, they are full and green. My garden crew fertilizes 2 time per year and adjusts the water according to the temperature/season. The trees get up to an hour of water every day during our hot season. The trees bare fruit, especially the lemon. I want them to look better. Any hints? Thanks. From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Mon Jan 6 22:40:46 2003 From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:40:46 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Citrus tree losing leaves Message-ID: <003a01c2b5d4$a8bdcb20$502c0a3f@ibmbna6040> Your citrus trees are not being watered adequately. Deep watering to a depth of 3 feet once a week during the summer here in the low desert will make a big change in how your trees look. Fertilizing three times a year will also help. Check out this site for more info on watering citrus: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/crops/az1151.pdf Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: clairecreek@cox.net To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >My 10-year old citrus trees (lemon/grapefruit/mandarin orange) are very wooded and have lost a lot of leaves over time. When I see citrus trees elsewhere, they are full and green. My garden crew fertilizes 2 time per year and adjusts the water according to the temperature/season. The trees get up to an hour of water every day during our hot season. The trees bare fruit, especially the lemon. I want them to look better. Any hints? Thanks. > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Mon Jan 6 22:50:14 2003 From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:50:14 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Soil Test labs Message-ID: <004401c2b5d5$fae3f4a0$502c0a3f@ibmbna6040> Check out this site for a list of soil test labs: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/general/soiltest.htm Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: Dmorty7@msn.com To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Monday, January 06, 2003 7:48 AM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Where can I take soil from my garden for testing & evaluation? > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Mon Jan 6 22:46:03 2003 From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:46:03 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Tree Care Message-ID: <003f01c2b5d5$653f3d60$502c0a3f@ibmbna6040> Bob The Master Gardener Manual on Arborculture will answer your questions about tree care and is on line at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/index.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: beatrice@extremezone.com To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Monday, January 06, 2003 12:02 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >Master Gardener, > I'm planting a Brazalian Pepper, 24" container >size. How should I care for this tree? >Thanks for the help. >Regards Bob > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Mon Jan 6 23:07:53 2003 From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:07:53 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Pruning Message-ID: <004e01c2b5d8$71fc03a0$502c0a3f@ibmbna6040> The Master Gardener Manual has a chapter on Arborculture with a section on pruning which should answer your questions about pruning and is on line at: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/arboriculture/index.html Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: clariceburke@cs.com To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Monday, January 06, 2003 7:46 AM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >When is the best time to prune a fig tree? >My tree is small, only about three years old. >How many main branches shall I leave on it, and how short should they be cut? > >Thank you for whatever help you may be able to provide. > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Mon Jan 6 23:37:51 2003 From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:37:51 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Roundup use Message-ID: <001101c2b5dc$b6afc3c0$682c0a3f@ibmbna6040> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2B5A1.F450E6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bev, Roundup is a foliar applied translocated herbicide which means that it = kills a plant by being absorbed by the leaves or stems and then moves = within the plant to where growth is taking place and interferes with the = growth process. Once the herbicide hits the ground and has dried it is = no longer a danger to the plant. Your desert landscape can be planted = without any danger. Likewise birds would not be affected unless the = herbicide got on their food. In order for the Roundup to be effective the turf must be actively = growing. I suspect that the grass if bermuda is now dormant in El Paso = as it is here in Phoenix. Probably the best time to do the job would be = late April or May provided the grass has greened up and is actively = growing. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: Bev Collins To: Arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Monday, January 06, 2003 7:47 AM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Converting lawn to desert landscape I've just moved from Phoenix to El Paso and purchased a home with a = large turf lawn. I plan to kill and remove the grass and am looking for = all the info available to help me do it right the first time. Is there = a 'best' time of year? I'd like to use lots of agave in my new = landscape, but how long will the effects of a monocot herbicide remain = in the soil? How long should I wait after using an herbicide like = Roundup before planting anything? Is it OK to install the new landscape = with dicots right away? Any other important points that I may have = overlooked? How 'bout the birds we feed every day - are these = herbicides toxic for them? Bev Collins, El Paso ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2B5A1.F450E6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bev,
Roundup is a foliar applied translocated herbicide = which means=20 that it kills a plant by being absorbed by the leaves or stems and then = moves=20 within the plant to where growth is taking place and interferes with the = growth=20 process. Once the herbicide hits the ground and has dried it is no = longer a=20 danger to the plant. Your desert landscape can be planted without any = danger.=20 Likewise birds would not be affected unless the herbicide got on their=20 food.
 
In order for the Roundup to be effective the turf = must be=20 actively growing. I suspect that the grass if bermuda is now dormant in = El Paso=20 as it is here in Phoenix. Probably the best time to do the job would be = late=20 April or May provided the grass has greened up and is actively=20 growing.
 
Good luck.
 
Rod McKusick
Master Gardener
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Bev Collins <bkcollins@earthlink.net>To:=20 Arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu= =20 <Arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu= >
Date:=20 Monday, January 06, 2003 7:47 AM
Subject: = [Arid_gardener]=20 Converting lawn to desert landscape

I've = just moved=20 from Phoenix to El Paso and purchased a home with a large turf = lawn.  I=20 plan to kill and remove the grass and am looking for all the info = available to=20 help me do it right the first time.  Is there a 'best' time of=20 year?  I'd like to use lots of agave in my new landscape, but how = long=20 will the effects of a monocot herbicide remain in the soil?  How = long=20 should I wait after using an herbicide like Roundup before planting=20 anything?  Is it OK to install the new landscape with dicots = right away?=20 Any other important points that I may have overlooked?  How 'bout = the=20 birds we feed every day - are these herbicides toxic for=20 them?
Bev = Collins, El=20 Paso
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2B5A1.F450E6E0-- From cmjesko@earthlink.net Tue Jan 7 14:32:25 2003 From: cmjesko@earthlink.net (cmjesko@earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 07:32:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301071432.h07EWP100511@Ag.arizona.edu> How much time and how often should I water my plants (hibicus, gardenias, etc.) and how much time and how often should I water my palm trees at this time of the year? From imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 7 00:36:08 2003 From: imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:36:08 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Re:Pomegranate Question References: <200212312225.gBVMPp111189@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <018d01c2b5e5$042b73d0$9853530c@delljor9501> Interesting question. Because our 20-year-old"Wonderful" pomegranates have always been pretty much as you describe. I always thought that was normal and suspect it has to do with the variety We also have a dwarf "Nana" which is similar but smaller. The grey leaf-footed bug is very common on pomegranates that have split. From: http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/t-tips/bugs/leaf-ft.htm" Leaf-Footed Bugs in the Low Desert DESCRIPTION: One inch long, dark gray or brown with leaflike enlargements on their hind legs. They closely resemble squash bugs, and give off an odor when handled. The nymphs are bright red and black with less prominent extensions on their hind legs. DAMAGE: They feed on fruits of a number of different plants, including oranges, peaches, pecans, tomatoes and especially pomegranates. They suck the juices out and may carry a bacteria which causes rotting. MANAGEMENT: Destroy any bugs that are found. Immature fruits may be protected by covering with paper bags. ----- Original Message ----- > We ... have a ... "Wonderful" pomegranate about 3 years old, 7ft. high and 5ft. wide. This year we had lots of pomegranates, some as large as a baby's head. The skin was bright red, but when we opened them up (late November, and December), the fruit was pinkish colored and leathery looking. It tasted only mildly sweet. > How can we get pomegranates next year that are bright red and juicy inside? Are we lacking a mineral? Do they need more water during the summer? Is it a disease? > Also as the fruit began to mature, I noticed some very strange looking flying bugs (about 1/2" long) on the fruit. Grayish and slender with a darker diamond on their back. Their back legs had little flags on them. What are these hideous things and how do I protect the fruit from them? From imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 7 00:31:33 2003 From: imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:31:33 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Birds eating seedlings References: <005201c2b42f$e1907ac0$12893a41@stewart> Message-ID: <018c01c2b5e5$00b511c0$9853530c@delljor9501> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Starlene Stewart" >... > Where can I get chicken wire cheaper than Home Depot? Why not try a floating row cover like ReMay. It works for us on the small birds that seem to like our young lettuce seedlings. But it probably wouldn't work for Quail. > > What else can I do about the birds? Some people say dangling damaged CDs at strategic locations works. Or anything that glitters when in moves in light breezes. Fake owls and snakes don't work for me. The birds like to sit on top of the owls - I reckon the view is better up there. > > Anyone else experiencing the same problem? I believe all of us have the problem to some extent. After all, it's the only tender green available right now. Olin From imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 7 00:36:38 2003 From: imRuhestand@worldnet.att.net (olin) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:36:38 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Seed Catalogs References: <001601c2b42a$c72f7f00$12893a41@stewart> Message-ID: <018e01c2b5e5$058dea00$9853530c@delljor9501> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Starlene Stewart" To: >... > Are there any seed catalogs geared specifically toward southwestern > gardening? I'd be interested if anyone knows of one. Try Native Seeds/SEARCH in Tucson at www.nativeseeds.org or "Plants of the Southwest" in Santa Fe at http://www.plantsofthesouthwest.com/ Might mention that the address of a mail order seed company does not necessarily indicate the seeds were grown there. Most seed companies purchase seeds fro western growers. Olin From tracer821@hotmail.com Tue Jan 7 02:15:15 2003 From: tracer821@hotmail.com (Tracy Mescha) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:15:15 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Source for Pepper seeds/plants Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2B5B7.F19EE440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there. Anyone interested in growing peppers this year, this is for you. For = 2003 we have 22 different varieties! There is always a bunch of other = vendors with great stuff as well. I sincerely appreciate the advice = from the list these past few months, and am eager to share the bounty! We do the Farmer's Markets: TUES is Fountain Hills-Starts the 13th Saguaro & Shea look for the = signs....Details to come!! FRI is Carefree CaveCreek Rd./Tom Darlington 10-2. SAT. is Roadrunner Pk. 32nd. ST/Cactus 8-12. SUN. is Scottsdale 104th ST. & McDowell Mtn. Ranch Rd. (Near Westworld) = 10-2. I moved from Chicago (of course) in June and discovered my experience as = a computer admin was not quite in demand in the job market, so I went to = my first love of growing hot peppers. I hope you all will come visit! = http://www.southwestchilies.com Tracy ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2B5B7.F19EE440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there.
Anyone interested in growing peppers = this year,=20 this is for you.  For 2003 we have 22 different varieties!  = There is=20 always a bunch of other vendors with great stuff as well.  I = sincerely=20 appreciate the advice from the list these past few months, and am eager = to share=20 the bounty!
We do the Farmer's = Markets:
TUES is Fountain Hills-Starts the 13th = Saguaro=20 & Shea look for the signs....Details to come!!
FRI is Carefree  CaveCreek Rd./Tom = Darlington=20 10-2.
SAT. is Roadrunner Pk.  32nd. = ST/Cactus=20 8-12.
SUN. is Scottsdale  104th ST. = & McDowell=20 Mtn. Ranch Rd. (Near Westworld) 10-2.
I moved from Chicago (of course) in = June and=20 discovered my experience as a computer admin was not quite in demand in = the job=20 market, so I went to my first love of growing hot peppers.  I hope = you all=20 will come visit!  http://www.southwestchilies.com<= /A>
 
Tracy
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2B5B7.F19EE440-- From AZamigo@aol.com Tue Jan 7 06:17:01 2003 From: AZamigo@aol.com (AZamigo@aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 23:17:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301070617.h076H1108622@Ag.arizona.edu> I live in Tucson and have been having problems over the past couple years with iron deficiencies, poor drainage and overall nasty, alkaline soil. Just today I saw a product in a one gallon jug called "soil acidifier" produced by arizona best. Have any of you had success with this product? thank you. From mriegel@ci.glendale.az.us Tue Jan 7 15:19:02 2003 From: mriegel@ci.glendale.az.us (mriegel@ci.glendale.az.us) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:19:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301071519.h07FJ2109381@Ag.arizona.edu> I have a tangerine tree in my yard in Tempe which is irrigated. This tree puts out a great tangerine that many who have eaten from it have raved about. I would like to create seedlings from this tree so that I can share and propagate the tree. >What is the most successful way to do this ? >I can assure you that I am not skilled enough to attempt grafting so I am hoping for a solution that can create from the seeds from the fruit. This is peak harvest time so a response in the next week would be helpful as I plan to begin harvesting and juicing in earnest within 2 weeks. >Thanks From crymer@Ag.arizona.edu Tue Jan 7 15:38:13 2003 From: crymer@Ag.arizona.edu (Cathy Rymer) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 08:38:13 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Secrets of Citrus Revealed! Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030107083322.00ad7bb0@ag.arizona.edu> Ever heard of a Pummelo? What about a Budda's Hand? Not sure when to fertilize your citrus? Why are citrus grafted? Are pink grapefruit really sweeter? All these questions and many, many more will be answered by the University of Arizona faculty and specialists at the annual Citrus and Fruit Clinics held in January. These events are sponsored by Maricopa County Master Gardeners and are designed to help homeowners and others with their questions on citrus culture and maintenance. Dozens of varieties of citrus will be available to taste test. Information on deciduous fruits, grapes, and dates will also be available. Mark your calendar for January 18, 2003 if you live in the east valley, or January 25, 2003 for west side residents. Seminars are given "in the field" at the Greenfield Citrus Nursery in Mesa or the UA Citrus Research Center in Waddell. Details are available from our web page at http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/ See you there! Cathy Catherine Rymer Instructional Specialist, Sr., Urban Horticulture University of Arizona Maricopa County Cooperative Extension 4341 E. Broadway Phoenix, AZ 85040 http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/maricopa/garden/ From kmoore@Ag.arizona.edu Tue Jan 7 15:30:34 2003 From: kmoore@Ag.arizona.edu (Kathleen Moore) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 08:30:34 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Annual/Perennial Flower Class Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030107081929.00a81b40@ag.arizona.edu> --=====================_5902905==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Are you getting ready to plant your flower beds? Are you intimidated by all the choices out there? Do you want to learn more about combinations and new varieties? Then come to our fabulous Annuals/Perennials class! Who: Pam Perry, Master Gardener When: January 13, 2003 Where: Maricopa County Cooperative Extension Time: 6:30-9:00 pm Cost: $20 ***CALL (602) 470-8086 x823 to register or if you have questions --=====================_5902905==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Are you getting ready to plant your flower beds?  Are you intimidated by all the choices out there?  Do you want to learn more about combinations and new varieties?   Then come to our fabulous Annuals/Perennials class!



Who:  Pam Perry, Master Gardener
When:  January 13, 2003
Where:  Maricopa County Cooperative Extension  
Time:  6:30-9:00 pm
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--=====================_5902905==_.ALT-- From watsontl@mindspring.com Wed Jan 8 04:03:30 2003 From: watsontl@mindspring.com (Tom & Linda Watson) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:03:30 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page References: <200301070617.h076H1108622@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <002401c2b6ca$e89f05a0$9151b83f@S0029317241> I have not used this product, but have managed to work around the unique qualities of the soil here in Tucson through use of organic amendments and the application of soil sulfur and gypsum. Use of a product called Ironite has helped with the problems of iron availability, which is caused by the alkaline pH of our soil. How exactly you would go about using these materials, or any product designed to address our soil conditions, depends on what you're growing. In other words, tell us what you're growing, and we can be more specific. Our soils have a tremendous buffering capacity, which means that when you alter the pH, conditions will eventually return to normal - meaning alkaline. The soil acidifier is unlikely to permanently change the soil conditions, but then, that's true of all of the above. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:17 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page > I live in Tucson and have been having problems over the past couple years with iron deficiencies, poor drainage and overall nasty, alkaline soil. Just today I saw a product in a one gallon jug called "soil acidifier" produced by arizona best. Have any of you had success with this product? thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > Arid_gardener mailing list > Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From ktucker@lsdaz.com Wed Jan 8 01:40:44 2003 From: ktucker@lsdaz.com (ktucker@lsdaz.com) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:40:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301080140.h081eh124172@Ag.arizona.edu> I have four acacia smallii's in my yard and there a couple that look mostly dead throughout the year. I have kept it trimmed and the branches that never leaf out are dead. I still have leaves on 30% of the tree so I know it is not dead. I would like a suggestion on what I need to do and if that is not possible a name of a good arborist. Thank you From Starlene Stewart" Message-ID: <001201c2b6c3$7366f380$1efe3841@stewart> Thank you everyone for the great suggestions and the wonderful support. Yesterday a friend and I built a floating row cover -- actually an idea I'd gotten from one of my chicken books -- to protect the current garden. We used 2x4s to build a frame, then put legs on to raise it up 18 inches. Then we used every bit of 1" chicken wire I could find around my place and layed the chicken wire on twice, overlapping the holes. Today we watched and several birds tried and tried to get in but couldn't. It will work for the time being, and hopefully in the near future I'll be able to do something more permanent. Thanks again! Happy Gardening! Starlene Stewart Maricopa, Arizona From crymer@Ag.arizona.edu Wed Jan 8 16:30:19 2003 From: crymer@Ag.arizona.edu (Cathy Rymer) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:30:19 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page In-Reply-To: <200301070617.h076H1108622@Ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030108090058.00afc660@ag.arizona.edu> The soils in the low deserts of the southwest are typically alkaline with a pH of 8 - 8.5. Our water is also salty. You can easily see this by the salty deposits left on the top of the soil around drip emitters, or on the outside of clay planting containers. The high pH limits plant's ability to assimilate nutrients from the soil. The addition of iron (and other fertilizers) to alkaline soils may have little effect if the roots can't absorb it. Soil acidifiers will only temporarily raise the pH if applied to the ground. Soon the salts in our water and surrounding soil will infiltrate and create alkaline conditions. If you are using containers, the pH is much easier to manage. The addition of gypsum, broadcast and watered into the soil a couple times per year, will put the sodium into solution where it can be 'flushed' down away from most feeder roots. This is one reason why we always recommend you water deeply. Soil drainage is usually improved by using gypsum. Soil sulfur will also help to lower the pH in our soils, but it relies on microorganisms in our soil to break it down and takes longer to see results. Remember, our native plants have evolved with alkaline soils and flourish here. There are hundreds of choices available that include varieties from other desert regions of the world that are well adapted to our climate and soils. If you are having problems with ornamental plants - Go Native! Mountain States Wholesale Nursery in Glendale, now has a great web site with and extensive plant database. Although they are wholesale only, the pictures and plant information are a fantastic resource if you are looking for locally grown, desert-adapted plants. http://www.mswn.com/ I hope this helps. Cathy At 11:17 PM 01/06/2003 -0700, AZamigo@aol.com wrote: >I live in Tucson and have been having problems over the past couple years >with iron deficiencies, poor drainage and overall nasty, alkaline >soil. Just today I saw a product in a one gallon jug called "soil >acidifier" produced by arizona best. Have any of you had success with >this product? thank you. > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener Catherine Rymer Instructional Specialist, Sr., Urban Horticulture Certified Arborist WC-5216 University of Arizona Maricopa County Cooperative Extension 4341 E. Broadway Phoenix, AZ 85040 http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/maricopa/garden/ From robertwilliams860@hotmail.com Wed Jan 8 21:34:33 2003 From: robertwilliams860@hotmail.com (robertwilliams860@hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:34:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301082134.h08LYX122033@Ag.arizona.edu> My mother bought two Christmas catus in which one of them is doing well and the other is losing it's blooms. I was curious in passing on vital information that would help her take proper care of the plant. She also had a watering question. How often do you water and what is the best climate to keep them in? Thank you, Robert Williams From rollinghome@aol.com Thu Jan 9 03:07:43 2003 From: rollinghome@aol.com (rollinghome@aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:07:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301090307.h0937h119362@Ag.arizona.edu> The leaves of my tangerine tree are curled. It has never borne fruit. What shall I do? From belaire@qwest.net Thu Jan 9 16:33:24 2003 From: belaire@qwest.net (belaire@qwest.net) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:33:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301091633.h09GXO120142@Ag.arizona.edu> What is the proper way to prune Mulberry Trees back? Where should the cuts be made? I assume now is the right time of the year to do this. Thanks, Jerry From KhaSan@aol.com Thu Jan 9 16:29:46 2003 From: KhaSan@aol.com (KhaSan@aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:29:46 EST Subject: [Arid_gardener] Vietnamese herb Message-ID: <181.14ee43c5.2b4efd7a@aol.com> --part1_181.14ee43c5.2b4efd7a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I am looking for the good website of Vietnamese herb-garden. 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--part1_181.14ee43c5.2b4efd7a_boundary-- From plantperson@prodigy.net Thu Jan 9 17:36:25 2003 From: plantperson@prodigy.net (plantperson) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:36:25 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Christmas Cactus Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030109103602.00b00b30@ag.arizona.edu> --=====================_8190781==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed CHRISTMAS (Zygocactus truncatus), or THANKSGIVING (Schlumbergera truncatus) CACTUS The Christmas cactus is a sensational plant when in bloom for the holiday season---if it blooms. It can be grown with success, but it requires a bit of "watching". The ideal soil for a Christmas cactus is composed of equal parts of garden loam, leaf mold and clean coarse sand (not from the seashore). Add a quart of wood ashes per bushel of mixture. If the soil is poor add 1/10 part of composted cow manure. Most of us however don't have the luxury of mixing our own soil, but if your Christmas cactus isn't doing well you might try repotting it in this mix. The Christmas cactus does not like direct summer sun. If you want to grow it indoors in a south or west window you should shade the plant with curtains. The broken shade of a porch or patio is ideal. Or plunge the pot into a shady spot in the garden during the summer months. This plant needs shading from the sun between May and September. Unlike the prickly members of the cactus family, Christmas cactus is not a dry soil plant that you can neglect for weeks. It can be drier during Feb/March.....right after flowering, but water it like other houseplants at other times of the year. During the pre-flowering period of mid-September to mid-November keep it dryish and cool until flower buds form. Then increase water and temperature. I leave mine outdoors until nights are down to 50 and the buds have formed. Water normally during the flowering period of mid-November through mid-January with a minimum temperature of 55 degrees. After flowering it needs a rest period, keep it cool (55 degrees) and water infrequently. During April and May water it thoroughly whenever the soil begins to dry out. June, July and August is a good time to put it outdoors in that shady spot and start the cycle all over again! Fertilize your plant only when it is actively growing, and propagate by taking cuttings from recently matured stems or shoots when the plant is not in flower. Maybe a little bit of watching is involved in taking care of your cactus, but seeing it burst into bloom during the holiday season is worth the time and effort it takes. --=====================_8190781==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
CHRISTMAS (Zygocactus truncatus), or THANKSGIVING (Schlumbergera truncatus) CACTUS

The Christmas cactus = is a sensational plant when in bloom for the holiday season---if it blooms. It can be grown with success, but it requires a bit of "watching".

The ideal soil for a Christmas cactus is composed of equal parts of garden loam, leaf mold and clean coarse sand (not from the seashore). Add a quart of wood ashes per bushel of mixture. If the soil is poor add 1/10 part of composted cow manure. Most of us however don't have the luxury of mixing our own soil, but if your Christmas cactus isn't doing well you might try repotting it in this mix. The Christmas cactus does not like direct summer sun. If you want to grow it indoors in a south or west window you should shade the plant with curtains. The broken shade of a porch or patio is ideal. Or plunge the pot into a shady spot in the garden during the summer months. This plant needs shading from the sun between May and September. Unlike the prickly members of the cactus family, Christmas cactus is not a dry soil plant that you can neglect for weeks. It can be drier during Feb/March.....right after flowering, but water it like other houseplants at other times of the year. During the pre-flowering period of mid-September to mid-November keep it dryish and cool until flower buds form. Then increase water and temperature. I leave mine outdoors until nights are down to 50 and the buds have formed. Water normally during the flowering period of mid-November through mid-January with a minimum temperature of 55 degrees. After flowering it needs a rest period, keep it cool (55 degrees) and water infrequently. During April and May water it thoroughly whenever the soil begins to dry out. June, July and August is a good time to put it outdoors in that shady spot and start the cycle all over again! Fertilize your plant only when it is actively growing, and propagate by taking cuttings from recently matured stems or shoots when the plant is not in flower. Maybe a little bit of watching is involved in taking care of your cactus, but seeing it burst into bloom during the holiday season is worth the time and effort it takes.
--=====================_8190781==_.ALT-- From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Thu Jan 9 22:22:16 2003 From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:22:16 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <00c501c2b82d$91e15ce0$241d0a3f@ibmbna6040> Citrus trees do not typically bear fruit until they are four to five years old. The curling leaves are no doubt caused by an insect called thrips. If so don't worry, the damage is only cosmetic and will do little harm. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: rollinghome@aol.com To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:25 AM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >The leaves of my tangerine tree are curled. It has never borne fruit. What shall I do? > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Thu Jan 9 22:11:54 2003 From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:11:54 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <008a01c2b82c$1f8cfb00$241d0a3f@ibmbna6040> Jerry If you are asking about the pruning technique called pollarding where the Mulberry branches are cut back to stubs, the answer is that it is not a recommended practice. The life of the tree will be shortened greatly and the tree becomes very susectable to disease especially sooty canker which can be deadly. Besides it looks ugly. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener and Arborist -----Original Message----- From: belaire@qwest.net To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page >What is the proper way to prune Mulberry Trees back? Where should the cuts be made? I assume now is the right time of the year to do this. > >Thanks, >Jerry > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From yulemom@mvdsl.com Fri Jan 10 00:42:02 2003 From: yulemom@mvdsl.com (Robin) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:42:02 -0800 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Raspberries/blackberries References: <00c501c2b82d$91e15ce0$241d0a3f@ibmbna6040> Message-ID: <002d01c2b841$1780d7a0$03081fac@lvcm.com> Recently, I spotted Raspberry and blackberry plants at our local hardware in Overton NV, one hour north of Vegas. We have just moved to our 3 acre home here and are curious as to how well these bushes will do in this climate. I'd love to plant some, but cannot find them mentioned in the book I have about desert gardening. Can anyone tell me what they need? Thank you, Robin Yule From Dragonjanie@austin.rr.com Fri Jan 10 01:03:08 2003 From: Dragonjanie@austin.rr.com (Janie Branch) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:03:08 -0600 Subject: [Arid_gardener] (no subject) Message-ID: <000801c2b844$0c34d0b0$ba821942@JanieinAustin> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B811.BF597160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too sprouted some lemon seeds and have a beautiful six foot tree which = will be seven years old in February. It outgrew every container and now = has been in the front yard for over a year. Although healthy in = appearance, it has never flowered, so naturally also has not produced = any fruit. What can I do for it? Thanks, Janie Branch ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B811.BF597160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I too sprouted some lemon seeds and = have a=20 beautiful six foot tree which will be seven years old in February. It = outgrew=20 every container and now has been in the front yard for over a year. = Although=20 healthy in appearance, it has never flowered, so naturally also has not = produced=20 any fruit. What can I do for it?
 
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From rodmmcq6@highstream.net Sat Jan 11 03:07:19 2003 From: rodmmcq6@highstream.net (rodmmcq6@highstream.net) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 20:07:19 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] browning tipu tree Message-ID: <003301c2b91e$8eb9e4a0$b12c0a3f@ibmbna6040> Tom, The Tipu tree is only hardy down to 25 degrees F so it probably has been burned by the frost. Since AJ is somewhat colder than the Phoenix area I would suggest that you cover the tree and wrap the trunk if you have more freezing temps. The tree is classed as simi evergreen which means that it will probably drop its leaves. If you look around you will see that the leaves on most trees are a lighter green in color this time of year because of the trees inability to take up nitrogen from the cold soil. Sounds like you are on target with your watering. Good luck. Rod McKusick Master Gardener -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Homans To: arid_gardener@Ag.arizona.edu Date: Friday, January 10, 2003 3:33 PM Subject: [Arid_gardener] browning tipu tree >This is the first winter that I've spent in the PHX valley (Apache Jct) in >my new home, and am wondering what a 24" box Tipu tree should look like in >the winter. It was planted just 3 1/2 months ago, and looked good until the >temps dropped. The leaves on it are now browned around the edges, the rest >have faded to a light green. Is this typical for a Tipu this time of year, >or are the brown edges an indicator that I'm not watering enough? Early >December, when the temps dropped, I backed off of watering it to once a >week, to a depth of 2-3 feet. I know it's a moderate water user, and the >tree being a new transplant needs more water than established ones, but I >thought with the drop in temps that I could slack off a little. Please >advise. > >thanks >tom > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >_______________________________________________ >Arid_gardener mailing list >Arid_gardener@Ag.Arizona.Edu >http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener > From celesmth@ev1.net Sat Jan 11 12:45:19 2003 From: celesmth@ev1.net (celesmth@ev1.net) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 05:45:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301111245.h0BCjJ100336@Ag.arizona.edu> proper way to prune a lemon tree which has not been pruned properly--- how much to remove the first time --- will it take a few years to get back in shape ---- what length of limb to remove --- when should this be done From bjkfrog@earthlink.net Sat Jan 11 17:51:34 2003 From: bjkfrog@earthlink.net (Barbara Knutsen) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:51:34 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] earthworms Message-ID: <3E2059A6.825753CA@earthlink.net> My husband and I have lived in our home for over 30 years and never experienced what we did this past Wednesday. We'd like to know if there is a need for concern. After it rained, thousands of earthworms ended up on our patio, brick, cook deck, crawling through our security door screen, up our AC unit, up the walls and under the smallest crack through our arcadia doors. Why NOW? After all these years, rains, and now this invasion of worms? They were long, not as fat as a regular garden worm and one end looked reddish. Is this a certain kind of worm or just young earth worms? Why would they come out by the thousands?? Looking forward to your reply. Mr. and Mrs. K From azjellery@hotmail.com Sat Jan 11 18:50:14 2003 From: azjellery@hotmail.com (azjellery@hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:50:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301111850.h0BIoE124586@Ag.arizona.edu> We have two museum palo verde trees. They are losing some leaves at this time (January) and I was wondering if this is seasonal or if there is something I need to do. Thanks for your help. From srkelz@cox.net Sun Jan 12 05:34:50 2003 From: srkelz@cox.net (srkelz@cox.net) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:34:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301120534.h0C5Yo114519@Ag.arizona.edu> I'd like to plant some native trees and plants in my eastern exposure front yard, however my neighbor has a huge pine tree that blocks all winter sun. What do you suggest? Also, do I absolutely need to install drip irrigation if I use native plants? I'm on a tight budget, and I'm wondering if I could just get the plants established and then trust mother nature in a few years. Thanks for your help. From Char_Thompson@netzero.net Sun Jan 12 21:16:04 2003 From: Char_Thompson@netzero.net (Char_Thompson@netzero.net) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:16:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301122116.h0CLG4101528@Ag.arizona.edu> When should I prune my grape vine? It is already showing signs of new growth and green shoots. From pleithead@cox.net Sun Jan 12 21:33:50 2003 From: pleithead@cox.net (pleithead@cox.net) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:33:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301122133.h0CLXo102933@Ag.arizona.edu> HELP!! Does anyone have any information as to what gardening flowers havalinas will NOT eat or what I can do so that they do not eat our potted flowers around the house. Appreciate any advice! Pc From lbradley@sisna.com Tue Jan 14 06:17:11 2003 From: lbradley@sisna.com (Lucy Bradley) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:17:11 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Australia Day at Boyce Thompson Jan. 25 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030113231614.032927b8@ag.arizona.edu> We'll have a "build your own didjeridoo" class at the Arboretum on jan. 25 during our annual Australia Day event. pre-registration's required for the class, other events of the day are free. details are at: http://ag.arizona.edu/btaevents/australiaday.html ~paul wolterbeek volunteer program coordinator boyce thompson arboretum _____________ Australia Day Jan. 25 at Boyce Thompson Arboretum A visit to the land Down Under is closer than you might think. Enjoy Outback storytelling, a tour of the towering 100-foot tall Eucalyptus Forest - and even a didjeridoo class! - as Boyce Thompson Arboretum State Park celebrates Australia Day. The arboretum is home to one of North America's largest collections of Australian plants. And Australia Day gives the Arboretum a chance to showcase the Australian walkabout trail and trees such as majestic "Mr. Big," the 140-foot tall with an eight-foot girth. In addition, Australian folklorist Paul Taylor will again visit the arboretum to share his bush ballads, Outback poems and haunting didjeridoo music to transport audience to his native Australia. As much fun to say as to play: didjeridoo workshop Jan. 25 Participants are invited to build and learn to play their own didjeridoos at a Jan. 25 workshop that coincides with the annual Australia Day festival at Boyce Thompson Arboretum. The unique class in this growling, howling indigenous instrument runs from 9-11:30 and the cost is $35 ($25 to Friends of the Arboretum annual members). Pre-registration is required; please call (520)689-5248 to enroll. Other events of the Australia Day celebration last from 11-3 and include outback storytelling from Paul "Walking Stick" Taylor, tours of the Australian Forest and the opportunity to learn about the collection of 450 different species from the Land Down Under that can be found here in Arizona, encompassed within Boyce Thompson Arboretum's impressive taxonomy list. Probably the best known individual of all these is Mr. Big, a 144 foot tall, 6'10" wide River Red Gum tree that was planted in 1926. Boyce Thompson Arboretum is located at Highway 60 milepost 223, a drive of only 45 minutes east of Mesa. The Arboretum is open from 8 a.m.-5 p.m. daily and admission is $6 for adults and $3 for kids age 5-12. For other information call (520)689-2811 or visit the website: http://arboretum.ag.arizona.edu From jmulcahy@peoriaud.k12.az.us Tue Jan 14 15:29:28 2003 From: jmulcahy@peoriaud.k12.az.us (jmulcahy@peoriaud.k12.az.us) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:29:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301141529.h0EFTS101131@Ag.arizona.edu> One of the teachers at our school--Peoria High School--says that her oranges have gradually become wringled over the years. She currently has a Arizona Sweet that has all wringled fruit. The tree is at least 11 years old. I am guessing that the root stock took over, but could it be something else? Please let us know. From ag193050@aol.com Tue Jan 14 16:05:49 2003 From: ag193050@aol.com (ag193050@aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:05:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301141605.h0EG5n108802@Ag.arizona.edu> We have a typical gravel rear yard with limited landscape material. Every morning, large areas of the gravel are a darker pink color as if they were wet. I have checked our irrigation system and cannot find any leaks. Much of the darker colored gravel is located in areas that do not have any irrigation. Is this a natural phenominum or should I be concerned that there is a water source somewhere that is causing this. We are located on the northwest side in Sun City Grand. Our soil is the typical stuff that is hard as a rock but gets mushy when wet. Any ideas? From jameselder2@cox.net Tue Jan 14 16:46:12 2003 From: jameselder2@cox.net (jameselder2@cox.net) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:46:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301141646.h0EGkC118055@Ag.arizona.edu> My lemon trees leaves turned yellow and dropped off. However a branch near the bottom is sporting a nice set of green leaves. What has happen and what should I do? Thanks for your advice. I live in Peoria north of Union Hills and between 83 and 91 avenues. From carrizzo@astoriahomes.com Tue Jan 14 17:56:46 2003 From: carrizzo@astoriahomes.com (Audrey Carrizzo) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:56:46 -0800 Subject: [Arid_gardener] West Wall Trees? Message-ID: <425B21E4132DC14B9EC96FBC5CF0A6716EF8FE@exchange.astoriahomes.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2BBF6.4E2C163A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C2BBF6.4E2C163A" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C2BBF6.4E2C163A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My yard is wide (north and south) and short east and west. A horse-shoe throw runs the length of the yard, and there is about a three foot area directly behind it before the west facing 6' block wall starts. Currently there are very sad Oleander plants growing (leggy and not very attractive)... However, I would like to remove them and possibly replace them with either pines, plum trees, or something else that would extend past the height of the 6' wall, not infringe on my neighbor directly behind the wall and not cause any structural damage to either the wall or to either properties. The plants have to withstand the 100+ heat and west wall heat that our Las Vegas climate has to offer as well as the almost (and sometimes) freezing weather that our winters often offer. =20 Oh, and they should be attractive.... Any suggestions? ------_=_NextPart_002_01C2BBF6.4E2C163A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My yard is wide (north and south) and short east and = west.  A horse-shoe throw runs the length of the yard, and there is about a = three foot area directly behind it before the west facing 6’ block wall starts.  Currently there are very sad Oleander plants growing = (leggy and not very attractive)… However, I would like to remove them and = possibly replace them with either pines, plum trees, or something else that would = extend past the height of the 6’ wall, not infringe on my neighbor = directly behind the wall and not cause any structural damage to either the wall = or to either properties.  The plants have to withstand the 100+ heat and = west wall heat that our Las Vegas climate has to offer as = well as the almost (and sometimes) freezing weather that our winters often offer. =  

Oh, and they should be attractive…. Any = suggestions?

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From pamkutney@qwest.net Tue Jan 14 21:10:27 2003 From: pamkutney@qwest.net (pamkutney@qwest.net) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:10:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301142110.h0ELAR123433@Ag.arizona.edu> A mesquite we had planted was blown partly over for the 3rd time in 2 years, so we cut it down and removed the stump. I am thinking of replacing it with an ironwood or a littleleaf palo verde. We live in Anthem, and the tree is on the northern side of the house, getting partial sun in the winter and full sun in the summer. It is on a drip system. Is this as good a time as any to put in the replacement? Or should we wait? From Kalinaknows@yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 00:43:08 2003 From: Kalinaknows@yahoo.com (Kalinaknows@yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:43:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Question from Home-Hort WWW page Message-ID: <200301150043.h0F0h8112242@Ag.arizona.edu> When should my citrus trees be pruned? How much? From llj@camalott.com Wed Jan 15 05:14:55 2003 From: llj@camalott.com (LLJ) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 23:14:55 -0600 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Persimmon Tree Message-ID: <005801c2bc55$0c316140$5d72c941@camalott.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2BC22.C0613060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I want to buy a friend who lives in Arizona a Persimmon Tree to add to = his garden for his birthday. Can you recommend a nursery in the = Tucson or Phoenix area that might be able to help me with this project? = Would this be the right time for planting? =20 Thank you , Louise ------------------------- I found your email address on this website while I was surfing. http://ag.arizona.edu/pipermail/arid_gardener/2000-January/003068.html ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2BC22.C0613060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
I want to buy a friend who lives in Arizona a = Persimmon=20 Tree  to add to his garden  for his birthday.   Can = you=20 recommend a nursery in the Tucson or Phoenix area that might be able to = help me=20 with this project?  Would this be the right time for=20 planting?   
 
Thank you ,
 
Louise
 
-------------------------
 
I found your email address on this website while I = was=20 surfing.
 
http://ag.arizona.edu/pipermail/arid_gardener/2000-January/003068.= html
 
 

 
------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2BC22.C0613060-- From Dragonjanie@austin.rr.com Sat Jan 11 00:58:24 2003 From: Dragonjanie@austin.rr.com (Janie Branch) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:58:24 -0600 Subject: [Arid_gardener] (no subject) Message-ID: <00a801c2b90c$8b388b40$ba821942@JanieinAustin> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C2B8DA.407F2190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, thanks for a great reply and so prompt too. I only know a Lakota = rain dance my Grandmother taught me. I have used Miracle Grow for Citrus = per directions for two years now, so I guess I'll just continue to be = patient. Love your sense of humor and thanks again for your help. Janie ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C2B8DA.407F2190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark, thanks for a great reply and so = prompt too. I=20 only know a Lakota rain dance my Grandmother taught me. I have used = Miracle Grow=20 for Citrus per directions for two years now, so I guess I'll just = continue to be=20 patient. Love your sense of humor and thanks again for your = help.
Janie
------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C2B8DA.407F2190-- From stevendrew@mindspring.com Wed Jan 15 15:30:45 2003 From: stevendrew@mindspring.com (Steven C. Drew) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:30:45 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Reply to Tipu Tree Message-ID: <002301c2bcab$134d55a0$4eca56d1@Global> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C2BC70.65D06370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, I have a Tipu Tree and live in a very cold area outside of Queen Creek = and my tree has not had any frost damage this year or any for the last = three years. Tipu's do tend to look kind of raggedy this time of year = but will perk up in the spring and display some inconspicuous yellow = flowers. There are some Tipu trees planted in the road median between Pioneer = Park and the Temple on Main street in Mesa and the parking lot of the = Lowe's at Gilbert and Warner in Chandler. You can look at these = specimens and sort of get an idea of what yours looks like compared to = these. But don't worry too much, this summer your tree will probably = grow like crazy. The trunk is very soft and I had problems with the cat using it as a = scratching post so I put some hardware cloth around it for protection.=20 The Tipu sports branches in a very unorganized fashion and up close can = look pretty weird, but this is the style and try not to prune too much.=20 Good luck and congratulations on a wonderful choice for a tree. Steve Drew Tom wrote: This is the first winter that I've spent in the PHX valley (Apache Jct) = in=20 my new home, and am wondering what a 24" box Tipu tree should look like = in=20 the winter. It was planted just 3 1/2 months ago, and looked good until = the=20 temps dropped. The leaves on it are now browned around the edges, the = rest=20 have faded to a light green. Is this typical for a Tipu this time of = year,=20 or are the brown edges an indicator that I'm not watering enough? Early = December, when the temps dropped, I backed off of watering it to once a=20 week, to a depth of 2-3 feet. I know it's a moderate water user, and = the=20 tree being a new transplant needs more water than established ones, but = I=20 thought with the drop in temps that I could slack off a little. Please=20 advise. thanks tom ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C2BC70.65D06370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom,
 
I have a Tipu Tree and live in a very = cold area=20 outside of Queen Creek and my tree has not had any frost damage this = year or any=20 for the last three years. Tipu's do tend to look kind of raggedy = this time=20 of year but will perk up in the spring and display some inconspicuous = yellow=20 flowers.
 
There are some Tipu trees planted in = the road=20 median between Pioneer Park and the Temple on Main street in Mesa and = the=20 parking lot of the Lowe's at Gilbert and Warner in Chandler. You can = look at=20 these specimens and sort of get an idea of what yours looks like = compared to=20 these. But don't worry too much, this summer your tree will = probably grow=20 like crazy.
 
The trunk is very soft and I had = problems with the=20 cat using it as a scratching  post so I put some hardware cloth = around it=20 for protection.
 
The Tipu sports branches in a very = unorganized=20 fashion and up close can look pretty weird, but this is the style and = try not to=20 prune too much.
 
Good luck and congratulations on a = wonderful choice=20 for a tree.
 
Steve Drew
 
 
 
Tom wrote:
 
This is the=20 first winter that I've spent in the PHX valley (Apache Jct) in
my = new home,=20 and am wondering what a 24" box Tipu tree should look like in
the=20 winter.  It was planted just 3 1/2 months ago, and looked good = until the=20
temps dropped.  The leaves on it are now browned around the = edges, the=20 rest
have faded to a light green.  Is this typical for a Tipu = this time=20 of year,
or are the brown edges an indicator that I'm not watering=20 enough?  Early
December, when the temps dropped, I backed off = of=20 watering it to once a
week, to a depth of 2-3 feet.  I know = it's a=20 moderate water user, and the
tree being a new transplant needs more = water=20 than established ones, but I
thought with the drop in temps that I = could=20 slack off a little. Please=20
advise.

thanks
tom

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C2BC70.65D06370-- From kmoore@Ag.arizona.edu Wed Jan 15 16:20:40 2003 From: kmoore@Ag.arizona.edu (Kathleen Moore) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:20:40 -0700 Subject: [Arid_gardener] Citrus Clinics Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030115091715.00b8da70@ag.arizona.edu> --=====================_1823674==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Don't miss out on our exciting Citrus Clinics one is THIS Saturday and one is next. East Valley Citrus Clinic held at the Greenfield Citrus Nursery 2558 E. Lehi Rd., Mesa Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:30 a.m. - 12:00 p.m. Northwest Valley Citrus Clinic held at the Citrus Agricultural Center Waddell, Arizona (see map on reverse) Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:30 a.m. - 12:00 p.m. Speakers from the University of Arizona and local experts will give half hour presentations on: Citrus pest management Citrus Fertilization and Irrigation Disease Management Pruning Citrus and Deciduous Fruit Trees Low-Chill Deciduous Fruit Varieties "Taste Testing" of Citrus Varieties Planting Citrus, and much more! $5.00 admission advance purchase $8.00 admission at the gate Rain or Shine! For more information call (602) 470-1556 press 304 --=====================_1823674==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Don't miss out on our exciting Citrus Clinics one is THIS Saturday and one is next.

East Valley Citrus Clinic
held at the
Greenfield Citrus Nursery
2558 E. Lehi Rd., Mesa
Saturday, January 18, 2003
8:30 a.m. - 12:00 p.m.

Northwest Valley Citrus Clinic
held at the
Citrus Agricultural Center
Waddell, Arizona
(see map on reverse)
Saturday, January 25, 2003
8:30 a.m. - 12:00 p.m.

Speakers from the University of Arizona and local experts will give half hour presentations on:
 
Citrus pest management
Citrus Fertilization and Irrigation
Disease Management
Pruning Citrus and Deciduous Fruit Trees
Low-Chill Deciduous Fruit Varieties
"Taste Testing” of Citrus Varieties
Planting Citrus, and much more!
 

$5.00 admission advance purchase
$8.00 admission at the gate


Rain or Shine! 
For more information call
(602) 470-1556 press 304
--=====================_1823674==_.ALT-- From cenalmor@yahoo.com Wed Jan 15 15:52:35 2003 From: cenalmor@yahoo.com (Barbara Cenalmor) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 07:52:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Arid_gardener] Persimmon Tree In-Reply-To: <005801c2bc55$0c316140$5d72c941@camalott.com> Message-ID: <20030115155235.12683.qmail@web41308.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1430801767-1042645955=:11415 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just last week I called around to see which nurseries would get Persimmon trees, and I found out that Bakers (in Phoenix) would, and I believe they just got their new shipment of trees. Barbara LLJ wrote:Hello, I want to buy a friend who lives in Arizona a Persimmon Tree to add to his garden for his birthday. Can you recommend a nursery in the Tucson or Phoenix area that might be able to help me with this project? Would this be the right time for planting? Thank you , Louise ------------------------- I found your email address on this website while I was surfing. http://ag.arizona.edu/pipermail/arid_gardener/2000-January/003068.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1430801767-1042645955=:11415 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Just last week I called around to see which nurseries would get Persimmon trees, and I found out that Bakers (in Phoenix) would, and I believe they just got their new shipment of trees. 

Barbara

 LLJ <llj@camalott.com> wrote: